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Post by bandgeekmafia78 on Feb 4, 2023 18:00:14 GMT
I'm sat here in the pub watching the six nations, England Vs Scotland.
I'm trying to watch this game without any bias at all. As someone who played Union in my youth but watches League as an adult I'd like to think that my view is as balanced as it possibly can be.
I just cannot understand what the public see that makes this game a spectacle. It's slow, lethargic, negative and littered with basic errors.
So my question is this - how has Rugby Union become so much more popular than Rugby League? Why are investors and sponsors inclined to favour one over the other? Why do our Media outlets dedicate airtime to one and not the other?
Interested to hear your comments.
Cheers.
Ps I've had a beer so apologies for brevity.
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Post by bandgeekmafia78 on Feb 4, 2023 18:04:01 GMT
Furthermore, and more importantly - what can the people at the top of Rugby League do to narrow that gap in popularity between the two codes?
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Post by Carnster on Feb 4, 2023 22:19:02 GMT
I think it's the fact that RU is ingrained in the upper echelons of society. Played since conception at Universities, where future leaders of media, business, and government learn their trade. They then go off into their careers and carry their own biases with them. It's why TV companies, brands, and media outlets pour more money into it than our sport. Those business leaders and media editors who went to University with each other naturally gravitate to RU. RL isn't helped by its own birth from RU and the social and political connections and reasons that will always be associated with it. It's not a conspiracy, but it is woven into the fabric of our class system and all that goes with it.
As for how it can change?
That's the million pound question. It needs the will and some momentum from all angles to change how things are, and while I have some ideas there isn't any easy answers.
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Post by stuckinyorkshire on Feb 5, 2023 8:37:19 GMT
Only seen the tries on the news, but tackling seems to be optional, especially by England!!
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Post by BDD on Feb 5, 2023 11:09:03 GMT
As Carnster said, it's played much more nationally in schools, private schools and universities. Far more people with money have been involved in RU over time.
Also, at pro level they have clubs throughout the UK which is more attractive to advertiser's, and those people tend to be wealthier.
Lastly, they have an international game, and more importantly in the UK, they have decent teams in England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales - this creates national interest even if the game itself is dire. I've also tried watching and liking it I find it slow and boring. Not much rugby seems to be played (putting the ball through hands, tackling etc).
Internationally they also have France and Italy for the six nations. RL was banned in France around 1940 while RU wasn't. I do wonder hope popular RL would be in France without that.
I don't know how we change it. There isn't a quick solution that's for sure. We need the game to be national and for that we need investment - this is the biggest key but I don't know where that's coming from.
Better grassroots and to develop the game in schools and amateur clubs nationally - requires money.
Teams not far from RU clubs could try and tap those fans, such as us offering people with Sale season tickets a couple of free games or a discounted season ticket, maybe it would convert some.
A more competitive SL would be a great thing and make for better TV games. Unfortunately, the money isn't there and we've brought in rules that go against the nature of the salary cap. The salary cap is unfair anyway because not all teams can spend the £2.1 million. I remember Leeds moaning about having £1m in the stands when they were in the relegation zone. I bet we barely spend that on an entire squad. The idea of a SC is twofold - ensure financial stability and to make things competitive by dispersing players. It works in American sports and the NRL because everyone can spend the cap and there aren't stupid dispensations. We need investment so all clubs can spend £2.1m and we need to remove things like discount for RU player, discount for home grown talent (this again is weighted to Wigan, Saints and Leeds), marquee player - which quickly became two when Wigan and Saints needed to retain their players - what happened to diapering players? It's conceivable a team like Wigan have a £3m wage bill while we spend £1m. This is obviously a moot point without investment. I'd love Sky or turn around an pay enough so that all team could meet the cap, remove dispensations, and let's see what happens after 5 years.
Club chairmen should also have less power. When you have a situation with 'haves' and 'have nots' people only vote for what is better for them and not the game. As I mentioned, in the NFL for example, you have the commissioner and other elements within that structure and the club owners who vote on a wide variety of things but they can all afford the cap. Money is also distributed better.
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Post by salford1963 on Feb 5, 2023 13:30:33 GMT
Too many rules that nobody really understands. Too much kicking and too slow for long periods. The number of times I’ve watched teams win a game without scoring a try is ridiculous. But it still attracts big investment. Apparently at the Sale V Bath game last week the hospitality was £180 per ticket and it was sold out!
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Post by johnh1 on Feb 5, 2023 14:34:40 GMT
Only seen the tries on the news, but tackling seems to be optional, especially by England!! They do have a new defence coach, you know!
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Post by stuckinyorkshire on Feb 5, 2023 15:25:20 GMT
Only seen the tries on the news, but tackling seems to be optional, especially by England!! They do have a new defence coach, you know! Might as well be me 🤣🤣
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Post by vin on Feb 5, 2023 19:08:15 GMT
There's a lot of media bias against rugby league. For instance, even during the world cup, the Independent's website, in the sports section, one could select football, formula 1, rugby union, UFC, cycling, American Sports, cricket, golf... but never rugby league. Similarly with the i newspaper. I was listening once to a London radio station talking about London sport, and when the sports correspondent eventually came to proper rugby, the show host, Robert Elms, said "Rugby league? That's just fat northerners rolling about in the mud." Then there's the tedious reason that I've bored people with for decades: the people with influence played union at their public schools and don't like us or our game, and this influences the folk who seem to listen to people who have had a better start in life than them. Carnster's post put it better. I remember a game at the Stoop where two blokes in Harlequins RL shirts on the way in were still rubbishing TGG. It's at this point that I remind myself of Laurie Daley's remark: "Rugby league is a simple game played by simple folk. Rugby union is a complex game played by w@nkers."
Sadly, no matter how much better our game is, we've a long way to go before we get the attention we deserve.
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Post by andyjc7 on Feb 6, 2023 9:07:29 GMT
Maybe a little like a conspiracy theory but …….
The people who push the media agenda such as websites like the BBC , national newspapers , politicians etc they would mostly have been in education where Union was played and it’s been pushed for years from that perspective
Having a son who plays both , the spectacle is worlds apart - in union the idea at all levels seems to be to get a set play like a lineout or scrum as they are seen as the best chance to score which is why such emphasis is placed on set piece training- in league tries are scored from everywhere , players are fitter and more skilled as they have to be
You could go through each position but a Union prop is designed to be short and squat for the scrum , they’re not mobile and there job is to hit the floor as quickly as possible to set the next play where a prop in league is expected to burst tackles and make yards so they need to be built differently
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Post by JJR on Feb 6, 2023 11:20:35 GMT
Sale are v professional about their hospitality and are really good at it and use a lot of additional space; even Leigh have sold out their hospitality for our game
We used to have a good regular service for hospitality @ few years ago but everyone dropped off because it became so piecemeal. Perhaps the Club just don’t want to get 8nvolved.
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