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H K R
Jul 30, 2021 18:59:28 GMT
Post by russ on Jul 30, 2021 18:59:28 GMT
Daveys heart is clearly in the right place as he’s a nett contributor,whereas the Executive are,by definition,salaried employees. Today’s joint statement was simply a waste of ink Think down sizing & concentration of what money there is. So all the statements will avoid saying what they're really up to until it's all over. A bit like all the governments in the whole of ever.
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H K R
Jul 30, 2021 19:18:24 GMT
Post by JJR on Jul 30, 2021 19:18:24 GMT
Saying two divisions of 10 after 2022 season
At least we’ll have local derbies Leigh Widnes and fill Moor Lane
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H K R
Jul 30, 2021 19:45:45 GMT
Post by godsowncountry on Jul 30, 2021 19:45:45 GMT
Mat Shaw has just tweeted
A proposal has been tabled to increase Super League to 14 teams in 2022, followed by a huge restructure that would see Super League become two divisions of ten.
Rugby League Live can reveal that the proposal was revealed in a clubs meeting on Friday that could see another restructuring of the sport's divisions in time for the next broadcast deal in 2023.
There is thought to be an appetite to reduce the top flight to ten teams in the long term in an attempt to provide high-quality competition on a weekly basis for broadcasters while also strengthening the second-tier, which it is hoped would then bolster the attraction of a TV deal for the competition.
However, the proposal would see the top flight initially increase the number of teams, before relegating four teams in 2022. It is seen as the fairest way to remould the divisions in light of the impact Covid-19 is having on the season.
There's a growing belief that it would be unfair to relegate a team from Super League at the end of the season given the disruption that has been caused due to Covid-19. A large number of games are set to be unfulfilled due to the number of outbreaks across the competition, with the virus still causing postponements.
However, with the vast majority of Championship fixtures being fulfilled, there's also no valid reason to deny promotion from taking place at the culmination of the campaign. As such, the proposal is to promote two teams, to ensure an even number of teams are in the division next year.
Four teams would then be relegated next year and would be joined in the second tier by the six teams who finish highest in the next year's Championship.
Crucially, the gulf in distribution money between the two competitions would be significantly reduced. It's hoped that will make promotion and relegation more sustainable for clubs moving between the two divisions, while also closing the funding gap for the part-time clubs that would be in the second-tier. One drawback of the proposal would be a lack of home games, with an 18-fixture format providing a guarantee of just nine home games per season. However, it's thought there are plans to ensure clubs can host further home fixtures.
The proposal is one of several on the table. Castleford Tigers' managing director, Mark Gratton, is said to have also tabled a proposal that clubs have been told to go and consider.
But sources at Championship level have been left encouraged by the meeting, with one admitting the distribution figures discussed weren't as bad as they had feared. T Clubs had been wary of a huge drop in funding due to the reduced Sky TV deal, however, with the restructure proposals in place, their funding would not be cut as significantly as they feared.
However, there is thought to be concern among clubs that may not make the top two divisions. As part of the proposal, funding would be significantly cut for teams not in the top two divisions.
Clubs have been left to consider the proposals on the table, with further consultation to take place next week.
RFL chief executive Ralph Rimmer said: “We are all – Super League Europe, clubs and the RFL – focused on the future. All of us involved in these discussions today want the very best for their clubs, players, fans and the whole game.
“The collective approach has been positive and constructive, and there will be further consultation with clubs in the coming days.”
Ken Davy, the interim Super League chairman, added: “The emphasis of today’s meeting was to provide a platform for discussion on several key areas of the sport, which can be the catalyst to drive the game forward in the coming years The whole game approach to these discussions is testament to the importance placed on ensuring we deliver a compelling, long-lasting structure for the whole sport.
“The next two years are absolutely vital for the sport. We need to continue to make Rugby League an attractive sport to supporters, broadcasters, viewers and commercial partners.
“Ultimately, this sport is about the players on the pitch, and the excitement and drama they create.”
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H K R
Jul 30, 2021 20:05:00 GMT
Post by JJR on Jul 30, 2021 20:05:00 GMT
The person that frightens me is Rimmer; as a leader never know where his head is.. And of course we’ll be fighting for one of 2/3 spots
Wigan, Saints, Catalan, Warrington, Hull, Leeds, Huddersfield with their backers probably guaranteed …plus of course the push for Toulouse and London. Even York and Newcastle keep being pushed
Kr and Hull to merge Cas and Wakey to merge and at least one new ground as originally requested Salford and….Leigh😉 with new ground
No matter what, we’ve got to have a major rethink as a club and stop being a stepping stone/ feeder for top 6 clubs. This seems serious. Losing the ground and this…😩
(All probably on the wrong thread as well)
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H K R
Jul 31, 2021 7:14:23 GMT
Post by hillbillyred on Jul 31, 2021 7:14:23 GMT
Merge the Robins and the Airlie Birds ... some say the English Civil War began in Hull.
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H K R
Jul 31, 2021 7:55:30 GMT
Post by Carnster on Jul 31, 2021 7:55:30 GMT
Mergers are very controversial things.
They did it in the NRL and a lot of fans are still bitter because the bigger of the two clubs merged seems to always swallow-up the smaller. I just don't think clubs here would go for it, even if it meant no SL.
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H K R
Jul 31, 2021 9:06:10 GMT
Post by russ on Jul 31, 2021 9:06:10 GMT
I love it when I hear their pretexts for the change and remember these are the same people who've consistently argued that the stupid number of games we play as necessary for economic survival. They're as trustworthy as the Tories and as reliable as the Labour party. This is a plan to ensure the few survive at the top because they're bereft of ideas and unable to persevere beyond 5 minutes with whatever they try.
Mergers are a red herring.
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H K R
Jul 31, 2021 11:35:41 GMT
Post by Carnster on Jul 31, 2021 11:35:41 GMT
I think the 14 team league, then four relegated the following year is madness to be honest. What if one of those 'top' five teams have a bad year? Can you imagine Uncle Gary accepted Leeds relegation? Or Wigan getting relegated? They'd change the rules again. What the top clubs owners really want is the 'right' clubs to be relegated. Us, Wakefield, HKR, Leigh. They've been effectively trying to get rid of these teams for years. A ten team SL is just a way for chairmen to say 'We don't want a cut in our budgets from the TV money, so let's drop four teams out.' Have they considered how boring a ten league SL would be?
Once again, club owners are only thinking of themselves rather than providing a credible alternative that would be beneficial for all, or at least fair to all.
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Jul 31, 2021 11:46:13 GMT
Post by bonitared on Jul 31, 2021 11:46:13 GMT
I struggle to watch much Rugby Union these days and ,maybe,we deluded ourselves into thinking we could somehow overtake them in popularity. I don’t watch much other than just the occasional International and generally the British Lions. They have their money problems too,big time, but every day they have about 8 pages in the Times,which I fast forward and the seriousness and insight into last Saturdays game was so impressive. The product,ie the game on the field,was certainly crap in the first half and quite exciting in the second. The rules are far too complex and make it a players game rather than ideal for supporters. The point is they have a different yet inferior product and have created a momentum that is now impossible to stop. What’s my point ? We’re progressing backwards at an alarming rate towards the days of Eddie Waring and small town parochialism whereas they’re accelerating along with other elite sports. Ken Davey is a good man and I have nothing but admiration for his devotion. I look at Ralph Rimmer and,before him,Nigel Wood and I despair.
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Jul 31, 2021 12:25:57 GMT
Post by red54 on Jul 31, 2021 12:25:57 GMT
Purely an observation and an opinion which I would totally expect to have the crap kicked out of it for its little Englander theme but I would kick out all the none British players that obviously are taking the money, concentrate on pumping money into youth development as they do in Australia, stop the stupid idea of helping the French get a national team that we can thump every time we play them , make sure that the British talent that is out there getting nothing is found and nurtured correctly. I look at teams like Featherstone Rovers, they produce good players then have to sell them on or let them go for free bit like we did when we had an Academy. We will never consistently beat the Aussies. until we concentrate on ourselves, all this reconstruction only benefits St Helens, Leeds, Wigan, Warrington Hull and Catalan.
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Post by redunderthebed on Jul 31, 2021 12:32:18 GMT
Red54 I think you’d get on well with the NRL
I honestly can’t see how reducing the areas the have is played in can possibly help the sport. The wider your catchment area the more good players that will be found. Look at the prem. full of overseas players and the England team has never been stronger because they’ve invested in youth and started thinking long term 20 years ago. RL leaders can’t look beyond the end of next week
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Post by JJR on Jul 31, 2021 12:36:02 GMT
Just no vision and selfishness from the top 4, who will find any way to bring in more money, protect their position and win everything. 10 teams playing how many games; 3x each in the season, like Scottish Premiership football? So income from Sky increases butless income from crowds.
American sport has it in the right perspective where big business rules, unlike the small and generally small minded business men in our game. They try to equalise each sport in order to make it competitive and generate tv income and crowds.
Parochialism; absolutely, and merger in the franchise era was the plan which never happened. If it is to be a big national sport mergers have to happen but never will.
The sport needs to be sorted from bottom up, via schools, inter city games, community clubs right through to the international stage. RU have done it , visiting all city schools departments in the country and developing international RU via 7s tournaments. But we don’t have the ability within our game to go forward.
We’re drifting into the abyss with small self centred budinessmen at the helm.
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H K R
Jul 31, 2021 14:43:01 GMT
via mobile
Post by dixon13 on Jul 31, 2021 14:43:01 GMT
What is a fact the game is in a mess,it as been like that for the last 25 years we had the first vision of Barcelona and Milan Paris London and who noes where. To be at the mercy of sky because in affect they are now running the show some would say a s**t show.
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Post by hillbillyred on Jul 31, 2021 16:38:49 GMT
Quite frankly, I cannot see how 10, 14, two 10s etc. is going to progress Rugby League. What this is doing is stabilising the top clubs' finances so they can carry on as now but not into the future. This is nimbyism: for the few the current set-up is working because of historical success and little competition from soccer sides. They can step back knowing that they will continue to be the top dogs in THEIR areas and ignore the rest. But, from my observations, the age of their supporters is mainly older than many other sports. If they continue to neglect schools and amateur set-ups, their feed of players and supporters will dry up. Until they strengthen the links with their communities, they will decay. Rugby League has a community feel.
I live in Rochdale where there are many Burnley fans ... a common answer why is that, in the past, Burnley put on coaches to where fans felt wanted and watched a good side. I am not criticising Dale here as commercially they are almost a model for any club. But we can learn from how Burnley welcomed fans from a different but near town.
In my opinion, RL has abandoned the schools, are afraid of Barla sides as they are rarely glitzy, and are chasing the dream that they can have United/City clubs without the backers or ambition.
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Jul 31, 2021 17:14:32 GMT
Post by Carnster on Jul 31, 2021 17:14:32 GMT
All very good points from all and have to say it's a rare occurrence indeed where I agree with all points raised...
That tells its own story I suppose with regards to the shambles our sport is in.
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