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Post by dixon13 on Oct 20, 2016 15:14:14 GMT
Their is certainly no half measures with this guy.He was the one saying he might go then he is staying.We have gone from Sony Bill to Billy Slater.and Sam Burgess to no youth set up.But he is not responsible for is us being at a white elephant that falls into the lap of Mr Salford
Maybe he should be invited on Monday night.
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Post by middleman on Oct 20, 2016 20:49:58 GMT
We don't receive 1.82m a significant portion is used to clear the CVA,
We don't receive 100k a year to run an Academy, that was reduced by the RFL to only 50k a year 4 years ago
Not stating to justify the action taken, just to correct statements made above.
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Post by redunderthebed on Oct 20, 2016 20:57:14 GMT
JGR - I think embed the pathway is run through the foundation so hopefully will still be in place
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Post by bonitared on Oct 20, 2016 21:17:51 GMT
I'd love to have a look over Salford's accounts just to see what Marwan Koukash's personal expenditure really is. Don't forget as a club we receive £1.80m funding from the RFL each season plus the money for the academy. With other revenue streams such as sponsorship, merchandise, ST sales etc surely we can afford to run an academy team? It's even worse when you consider we're losing the wages of Sheens and Mozza to. It's one thing to have cuts but these seem drastic, particularly given the promising ST sales. We've absolutely no right to know what MKs personal expenditure is BUT I'd love to know ! The reality is that,whatever his expenditure has been,he saved the club. Lets just suppose that he's decided that he can't afford to put any more in, he needs to cut costs so Mozza and the academy has to go. That's his call,his money I'm not sure how much of the Sky money has gone to pay the CVA,we're not privy to that information. We were only privy to what was supposed to happen and I can't remember the details. As you say,it'd be great to see the numbers. Its good to be having this debate whilst still in Superleague |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2016 3:50:48 GMT
I seem to remember reading we pay more per game to rent Barton than most Wendyball teams do for their rented grounds. Think that will be Salford's biggest expense. While I'm not his biggest fan or detractor I feel for the Doc, it's obvious if he has have wrestled control of the stadium from the council/Peel we would without doubt be in a whole different position.
Can you imagine if we just charged £10 for people to come in and a reasonable amount for beer and food how many more people would find a day out (I mean a day out not like me now rock up after drinking elsewhere 10 minutes before KO) at the rugby.
Sure someone will correct me but isn't there a thing in Germany where sports teams can only charge €10 admission? They don't really seem to be struggling to much.
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Post by russ on Oct 22, 2016 7:38:00 GMT
We don't receive 1.82m a significant portion is used to clear the CVA, We don't receive 100k a year to run an Academy, that was reduced by the RFL to only 50k a year 4 years ago Not stating to justify the action taken, just to correct statements made above. But it actually does more than justify the action. I'm saddened by the action taken but a sense of balance and proportion always seem to be missing at points like this. CVA, huge rent, reductions by the RFL everything plays its part in a decision like this one. What SRD becomes when seen in this light is a poisoned chalice that only some one truly passionate would contemplate taking on at all. |
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Post by bonitared on Oct 22, 2016 8:31:24 GMT
I suspect that the Doctor may have received subsidies,maybe from the stadium owners; perhaps from the RFL.
We also don't know whether the CVA payments are being made. I assume they are.
As I've said before,we have no right to know this information but it's possible that any such payments are tapered so that he has to reduce costs.
His main job,as far as I'm concerned,is to deliver Superleague and keep the club going.
What he receives in,and pays out,is for him to know and us to speculate about.
I'm no supporter of The Docs actions but we have no precise knowledge of his or the club's financial affairs.
Just keep this show on the road !
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Post by russ on Oct 22, 2016 9:01:49 GMT
"His main job,as far as I'm concerned,is to deliver Super League and keep the club going." "Just keep this show on the road!" I know you're not a big fan bonita but that sums it all up very well indeed. If he were to be lucky enough to have any kind of success this season,I do wonder if there'd be less criticism? Not from opposing fans of course they're locked in screensavers are bash the Doc but compared with their chairmen (other thread I think) give me a Doc every time.😄 Mind you I think we'd all be less critical of chairmen if we saw clearly the income and out goings at every SL club.  |
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Post by Astleyred on Oct 22, 2016 20:15:54 GMT
I've had a few days to ponder on this after the initial "wtf has he done now", I kinda get it and felt this is probably the best decision for the club at this time.
Without wanting to repeat what other folks have already said, our club even though in SL in its current form isn't sustainable even for a so called "wealthy owner".
And the reality is harsh / unpopular decisions have had to be made.
The only downfall from the club is pre-empting the backlash and negativity by not issuing an official statement with the facts and figures, instead leaving it to every man and his dog to jump to conclusions snd formulate their own rose tinted opinions.
The harsh reality is with current crowds of 2-3k we cannot sustain much let alone a top club with full youth structure.
The Wakey chairman has recently stated that that it costs circa 220k to run the acadamey and that's on a shoestring budget, so the bigger clouds are investing a lot more.
The RFL give each club 100k / year which we have had reduced to 50k for 4 years, so the sums add up to a shoe string budget it will cost Salford 180k / year to run a bottom end acadamey.
I for one think the decision hasn't been kneejerk or one taken likely, but a decision of must for the following reasons;
1. We cannot afford to support it on current crowds.
2. Even when we have an acadamey we cannot attract the best so are left with what the top clubs don't want.
3. If (2) is the case we may aswell just sign and give a chance to the players the top clubs let go that cannot be kept on due to cap reasons.
4. We need to make the first team successful and start to consistently do well, which will then have the knock on if crowds increase, income increases and the we can start looking into investing in an acadamey again. So if it means the money going into making the first team squad the best we can then I'm up for that.
Negatives I see;
1. Club reputation, everyone thinks we're the shits for turning our backs on the kids.
2. Beneficial of home grown players on cap, but this is the risk to take with getting a successful side and improving the clubs fortunes.
3. Attracting kids in the future, but hopefully if the club becomes more consistent and successful then this won't be an issue.
Hope the docs Q&As goes well and the right questions are asked and the right answers given.
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Post by russ on Oct 24, 2016 10:04:50 GMT
I've had a few days to ponder on this after the initial "wtf has he done now", I kinda get it and felt this is probably the best decision for the club at this time. Without wanting to repeat what other folks have already said, our club even though in SL in its current form isn't sustainable even for a so called "wealthy owner". And the reality is harsh / unpopular decisions have had to be made. The only downfall from the club is pre-empting the backlash and negativity by not issuing an official statement with the facts and figures, instead leaving it to every man and his dog to jump to conclusions snd formulate their own rose tinted opinions. The harsh reality is with current crowds of 2-3k we cannot sustain much let alone a top club with full youth structure. The Wakey chairman has recently stated that that it costs circa 220k to run the acadamey and that's on a shoestring budget, so the bigger clouds are investing a lot more. The RFL give each club 100k / year which we have had reduced to 50k for 4 years, so the sums add up to a shoe string budget it will cost Salford 180k / year to run a bottom end acadamey. I for one think the decision hasn't been kneejerk or one taken likely, but a decision of must for the following reasons; 1. We cannot afford to support it on current crowds. 2. Even when we have an acadamey we cannot attract the best so are left with what the top clubs don't want. 3. If (2) is the case we may aswell just sign and give a chance to the players the top clubs let go that cannot be kept on due to cap reasons. 4. We need to make the first team successful and start to consistently do well, which will then have the knock on if crowds increase, income increases and the we can start looking into investing in an acadamey again. So if it means the money going into making the first team squad the best we can then I'm up for that. Negatives I see; 1. Club reputation, everyone thinks we're the shits for turning our backs on the kids. 2. Beneficial of home grown players on cap, but this is the risk to take with getting a successful side and improving the clubs fortunes. 3. Attracting kids in the future, but hopefully if the club becomes more consistent and successful then this won't be an issue. Hope the docs Q&As goes well and the right questions are asked and the right answers given.Excellent assessment Astley! I just hope the people with a sense of balance turn up and not just Doc bashers, and then what you hope might become true. I want to find out more about any signings. What "everyone" thinks is irrelevant, surplus to requirements, null and void. If the Doc had been a saint they'd still be saying the same things. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 18:37:18 GMT
Shhhh the walls have ears.
Apparently the club are looking at a regional academy with Oldham, Rochdale and Swinton.
That is quite siply the greatest idea ever and someone needs to be given a peerage for even thinking it up.
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Post by Carnster on Oct 24, 2016 22:10:03 GMT
Shhhh the walls have ears. Apparently the club are looking at a regional academy with Oldham, Rochdale and Swinton. That is quite siply the greatest idea ever and someone needs to be given a peerage for even thinking it up. In the current climate, a joint regional academy sounds like a great idea. Hopefully it will come off. The main thing that needs sorting for this though, is a fair and reasonable way for multiple clubs to sign-up the best that the academy produce. There has to be a fair mechanism in place for all clubs concerned. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2016 22:24:13 GMT
Shhhh the walls have ears. Apparently the club are looking at a regional academy with Oldham, Rochdale and Swinton. That is quite siply the greatest idea ever and someone needs to be given a peerage for even thinking it up. In the current climate, a joint regional academy sounds like a great idea. Hopefully it will come off. The main thing that needs sorting for this though, is a fair and reasonable way for multiple clubs to sign-up the best that the academy produce. There has to be a fair mechanism in place for all clubs concerned. Fair mechanism. That just screams the RFL getting involved and ruining a potentially good idea.. It should be up to the talent involved, they just pick who and what suits them best. |
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Post by redunderthebed on Oct 24, 2016 22:31:03 GMT
In the current climate, a joint regional academy sounds like a great idea. Hopefully it will come off. The main thing that needs sorting for this though, is a fair and reasonable way for multiple clubs to sign-up the best that the academy produce. There has to be a fair mechanism in place for all clubs concerned. Fair mechanism. That just screams the RFL getting involved and ruining a potentially good idea.. It should be up to the talent involved, they just pick who and what suits them best. What, whether the clubs want them or not? No draft system works like that does it? Surely the clubs pick, make an offer and the player decides whether to take it? Has to be a fair system or why would the clubs jointly fund it if they weren't guaranteed a joint pick of the best players? |
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Post by Carnster on Oct 24, 2016 23:03:42 GMT
In the current climate, a joint regional academy sounds like a great idea. Hopefully it will come off. The main thing that needs sorting for this though, is a fair and reasonable way for multiple clubs to sign-up the best that the academy produce. There has to be a fair mechanism in place for all clubs concerned. Fair mechanism. That just screams the RFL getting involved and ruining a potentially good idea.. It should be up to the talent involved, they just pick who and what suits them best. Clubs like Oldham and Swinton wouldn't be too interested if that was the case. There has to be a way, and a fair way, for all clubs to benefit, otherwise what's the point in them all combining? A draft of sorts would probably be the fairest way of sorting things. |
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