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Post by russ on Oct 16, 2016 8:07:38 GMT
I find it really interesting that most fans feel that P and R are essential for British Sport and RL but now it's happened the story is all about how difficult and trying it is for HKR.
This is quite right because relegation in RL is pretty much a disaster in the making no matter how you look at it.
I just wonder, had it been SRD, if we'd have seen as many criticisms, eulogies and crying foul at the situation?
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Post by bonitared on Oct 16, 2016 8:16:51 GMT
I just wonder, had it been SRD, if we'd have seen as many criticisms, eulogies and crying foul at the situation? I think that's probably correct. Despite that,what's dawned on everybody since the game is that we appear to be the only sport where there can be a play off to relegate a club. To lose 2 games by a late drop goal is no basis to be relegated . yes,I think most fans believe there should be promotion and relegation,jeopardy if you like,but it has to be based on performances across the whole season. The play offs were great entertainment,but the effects of relegation in our sport are far too great (generally full time to part time jobs) to be decided this way. |
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Post by Carnster on Oct 16, 2016 9:36:03 GMT
It would be a fair way of doing things if it was an even playing field. It just isn't at the moment. With such financial restrictions and implications, along with everything that goes along with that, it's a real shoddy way of making a spectacle out of something negative. Mark Flannagan was recently interviewed about it and what he said says a lot about why it's a very bad idea. He talked about players taking out mortgages and finance only to find their contracts voided then offered a new deal on less money because of the SC and relegation. If some are lucky enough to swap clubs for a SL side it brings more upheaval to families and they start at the bottom of the rung again. Either way, it's a really horrible way for the governing body to treat its players and Families.
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Post by red666 on Oct 16, 2016 10:10:18 GMT
I doubt the RFL ever expected a situation where 2 super league sides contested the MPG. Last year it worked, wakey vs bratfud, SL vs championship and the SL side survived but this year has now thrown a spanner in the works with Leigh winning promotion without the MPG.
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Post by russ on Oct 16, 2016 12:00:31 GMT
I doubt the RFL ever expected a situation where 2 super league sides contested the MPG. Last year it worked, wakey vs bratfud, SL vs championship and the SL side survived but this year has now thrown a spanner in the works with Leigh winning promotion without the MPG. If true I'd say that's more damming than the alternative. I think one of the reasons for the violence at the MPG was you're actually playing the team who would relegate you, as opposed to other systems where you're unlikely to be playing the other club who might be relegated. I don't even know if that has ever happened under the old systems. |
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Post by wiganred on Oct 16, 2016 12:48:12 GMT
It happened with Wakey versus Cas would you believe! not that long ago, the game was so important I went along with a Wakey friend. The thing is though, it was fate, both Wakey and Cas were at the bottom with one game to play, I think that is the better approach. I would like to see 14 teams in Super League and whoever finishes bottom gets relegated.
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Post by russ on Oct 16, 2016 13:42:20 GMT
It happened with Wakey versus Cas would you believe! not that long ago, the game was so important I went along with a Wakey friend. The thing is though, it was fate, both Wakey and Cas were at the bottom with one game to play, I think that is the better approach. I would like to see 14 teams in Super League and whoever finishes bottom gets relegated. Thanks wiganred I wouldn't have believed it. I hate relegation no matter who's involved but at least with a 14 team SL the bottom one would definitely be championship level. |
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Post by kilop on Oct 16, 2016 15:15:06 GMT
Think I'm with the doc on this, parachute payments would make it less dramatic
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Post by middleman on Oct 16, 2016 18:05:22 GMT
Last Season , Had Wakey lost - no one would have batted an eyelid - as it would have mean't they would've had Bradford back in . and they were the worst side in the comp.
Huddersfield were over the regular season the worst performing side in the comp. but Leeds dutifully rolled over for them and they got their 1 point win at Hull KR .
It goes without saying that a fair few people would have enjoyed the schadenfreude had Salford lost their SL status, and not cared a jot for the careers of the backroom staff or squad players.
it's still fresh in our memory the feeding frenzy on our best players in 2012 as the Wily era club failed. Smith Holdsworth Moon etc.
that said I've experienced 3 relegations as a Salford Supporter and there was a simpler more honest enjoyment following the club in the lower league.
I don't think that would be be the case with the current Championship & 8's qualifiers though.
I think because Leigh played a blinder gaining automatic qualification & Hull KR , although not playing well , never really figured until the last 2 weeks, the relegation at East Hull caught alot of people by surprise .
Imagine the rumpus had Leeds poor season continued ...
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Post by russ on Oct 16, 2016 18:10:55 GMT
Think I'm with the doc on this, parachute payments would make it less dramatic I've come to the same conclusion kilop! |
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Post by russ on Oct 16, 2016 18:16:04 GMT
Last Season , Had Wakey lost - no one would have batted an eyelid - as it would have mean't they would've had Bradford back in . and they were the worst side in the comp. Huddersfield were over the regular season the worst performing side in the comp. but Leeds dutifully rolled over for them and they got their 1 point win at Hull KR . It goes without saying that a fair few people would have enjoyed the schadenfreude had Salford lost their SL status, and not cared a jot for the careers of the backroom staff or squad players. it's still fresh in our memory the feeding frenzy on our best players in 2012 as the Wily era club failed. Smith Holdsworth Moon etc. that said I've experienced 3 relegations as a Salford Supporter and there was a simpler more honest enjoyment following the club in the lower league. I don't think that would be be the case with the current Championship & 8's qualifiers though. I think because Leigh played a blinder gaining automatic qualification & Hull KR , although not playing well , never really figured until the last 2 weeks, the relegation at East Hull caught alot of people by surprise . Imagine the rumpus had Leeds poor season continued ... Think That just about sums it all up middleman. And all the stories would have been about the teams our lost players were going to. And the laughter on TotalRL would have been audible on Trafford Road Bridge. |
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Post by jeffmcrib on Oct 18, 2016 12:02:25 GMT
It would be a fair way of doing things if it was an even playing field. It just isn't at the moment. With such financial restrictions and implications, along with everything that goes along with that, it's a real shoddy way of making a spectacle out of something negative. Mark Flannagan was recently interviewed about it and what he said says a lot about why it's a very bad idea. He talked about players taking out mortgages and finance only to find their contracts voided then offered a new deal on less money because of the SC and relegation. If some are lucky enough to swap clubs for a SL side it brings more upheaval to families and they start at the bottom of the rung again. Either way, it's a really horrible way for the governing body to treat its players and Families. It was my interview Carnster, I could hear the intonations in his voice change as he was talking about it. Some of his mates from KR are in that situation and so he clearly feels very strongly. As I said in the article, he said didn't particularly celebrate. That's backed up by the Sky commentary (I must have watched the last 10 mins about 50 times so far  ) they mention at the end there's a lot of class by many of the Salford players going over to console the KR players as they know that could have been them and they said that Flanagan was one of them. Again as I said in the article, there were no winners that day, only one team that stayed up and one that went down. Amazing finish and Sky got the drama it craved for (every minute matters) but agony for the people playing the sport. Very sad. |
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Post by Carnster on Oct 18, 2016 12:57:58 GMT
It would be a fair way of doing things if it was an even playing field. It just isn't at the moment. With such financial restrictions and implications, along with everything that goes along with that, it's a real shoddy way of making a spectacle out of something negative. Mark Flannagan was recently interviewed about it and what he said says a lot about why it's a very bad idea. He talked about players taking out mortgages and finance only to find their contracts voided then offered a new deal on less money because of the SC and relegation. If some are lucky enough to swap clubs for a SL side it brings more upheaval to families and they start at the bottom of the rung again. Either way, it's a really horrible way for the governing body to treat its players and Families. It was my interview Carnster, I could hear the intonations in his voice change as he was talking about it. Some of his mates from KR are in that situation and so he clearly feels very strongly. As I said in the article, he said didn't particularly celebrate. That's backed up by the Sky commentary (I must have watched the last 10 mins about 50 times so far ) they mention at the end there's a lot of class by many of the Salford players going over to console the KR players as they know that could have been them and they said that Flanagan was one of them. Again as I said in the article, there were no winners that day, only one team that stayed up and one that went down. Amazing finish and Sky got the drama it craved for (every minute matters) but agony for the people playing the sport. Very sad. Enjoyed the article. Was nice to read about things that don't get that much airing generally. Keep up the good work! |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2016 13:11:45 GMT
The problem with the way the MPG game finished this year is Sky got everything (and more) than it could have asked for, the press it received after the game was staggering and probably got as much coverage as the Grand Final a week later.
Any descenting voices will get hushed and reference made to the tension created this year.
The trouble I can foresee is they might massage the fixtures in the hope they might get another last weekend cliff hanger.
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Post by dixon13 on Oct 18, 2016 16:27:34 GMT
The problem with the way the MPG game finished this year is Sky got everything (and more) than it could have asked for, the press it received after the game was staggering and probably got as much coverage as the Grand Final a week later. Any descenting voices will get hushed and reference made to the tension created this year. The trouble I can foresee is they might massage the fixtures in the hope they might get another last weekend cliff hanger. I am sorry I dont agree only the clowns who run Rugby League,Could come up with a system where the team who finished top of the league are not champions and two teams play off to get relegated.Rugby League is still a professional game run by amateurs.And if that doesn't change soon the game will die on its feet. |
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) they mention at the end there's a lot of class by many of the Salford players going over to console the KR players as they know that could have been them and they said that Flanagan was one of them. Again as I said in the article, there were no winners that day, only one team that stayed up and one that went down. Amazing finish and Sky got the drama it craved for (every minute matters) but agony for the people playing the sport. Very sad.