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Post by bandgeekmafia78 on Oct 10, 2016 8:06:52 GMT
I was channel-hopping this weekend and found myself watching a game of Union - Saracens vs Wasps.
I tried really hard to get into it and I wanted to understand what aspects of the game manage to get tens of thousands of paying fans to turn up week in, week out. I 'get' that the kicking is much more superior than RL but apart from that I fail to see the attraction, but something captures the imagination of the punters.
After witnessing the drama of our win over KR and then the quality on show in the Super League Grand Final, it begs the question - why is Rugby League so unpopular in comparison to Union? I know that I'm a little biased, but if the RFL and Super League clubs could figure out what makes people turn up to games there's no reason why Rugby League shouldn't be able to pull in much bigger gates in the future.
Thoughts?
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Post by russ on Oct 10, 2016 8:31:06 GMT
My first response bandgeekmafia was those hold up paddles from QI the answer is "Nobody Knows!" I think it's the subtle relationships in class terms between yawn, the media and upbringing that creates a picture, an image of greater popularity as much as the reality differences. I think that Vichy is very good at marketing itself and always has been right from 1895 and receives a great deal of help from media sources that RL can only dream about. They have also helped create the image of RL as dour, working class, less complex as well strangely, colloquially and weirdly "northern". When you add to this the social element of going to matches that one of our fellow Devil talk posters will concur about and they have a recipe for success and development. That's before you talk about money,sponsors and difference in the amount of coverage. To compete with all this, let alone challenge and defeat your competitor you'd have to be on your top game 24/7/365. Whereas we can offer bad natured banter,half-empty terraces in front of the cameras,extremely poor marketing responses to our state of affairs and bashing our own like Stevo,Gary Hetherington and MK. When you put it this way it's a wonder any of us prefer TGG!
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Post by dixon13 on Oct 10, 2016 9:08:26 GMT
I was channel-hopping this weekend and found myself watching a game of Union - Saracens vs Wasps. I tried really hard to get into it and I wanted to understand what aspects of the game manage to get tens of thousands of paying fans to turn up week in, week out. I 'get' that the kicking is much more superior than RL but apart from that I fail to see the attraction, but something captures the imagination of the punters. After witnessing the drama of our win over KR and then the quality on show in the Super League Grand Final, it begs the question - why is Rugby League so unpopular in comparison to Union? I know that I'm a little biased, but if the RFL and Super League clubs could figure out what makes people turn up to games there's no reason why Rugby League shouldn't be able to pull in much bigger gates in the future. Thoughts? I don't think union is greatly supported at club level.Internationally yes.I have watched Salford for over 60 years and the saying was union was amateur run by professionals and league was professional run by amateurs.
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Post by Carnster on Oct 10, 2016 9:52:08 GMT
A lot has to do with the fact that RU is deeply rooted into 'ruling-class' culture. It has long been established in universities and places of learning for far longer than RL as well as in the services such as the military and civilian services. That is changing slowly, but it is still far more ingrained into these areas. This means that for generations, the best of the bright and young have grown-up with it as part of their lives, and it follows that some of these people then find themselves years later in positions of power. In the media, in corporations and business, and in Government. It becomes a lot easier for a sport to become the focus of money and attention when these people then promote and help proliferate its exposure.
Things are a lot better now in this area. The services in particular are a great growth area for RL when previously they weren't even allowed. It'll take a lot longer for RL to start competing in the psyche of our Nation while RU has decades head start, and may never reach the same heights.
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Post by russ on Oct 10, 2016 10:46:56 GMT
A lot has to do with the fact that RU is deeply rooted into 'ruling-class' culture. It has long been established in universities and places of learning for far longer than RL as well as in the services such as the military and civilian services. That is changing slowly, but it is still far more ingrained into these areas. This means that for generations, the best of the bright and young have grown-up with it as part of their lives, and it follows that some of these people then find themselves years later in positions of power. In the media, in corporations and business, and in Government. It becomes a lot easier for a sport to become the focus of money and attention when these people then promote and help proliferate its exposure. Things are a lot better now in this area. The services in particular are a great growth area for RL when previously they weren't even allowed. It'll take a lot longer for RL to start competing in the psyche of our Nation while RU has decades head start, and may never reach the same heights.I think your post mirrors mine Carnster. But competing for affections is a battle you have to take very seriously and be prepared to do all the hard metres. Just look at the WC Challenge and the Aussie attitude to it and you'll see why we lag behind in all areas of this fight for the market. Our sport is not prepared nor does it have the bottle for a battle let alone a war of strategy for hearts and minds that could take years. Even now on certain forums you can't bring up union without receiving criticism from all sides of fellow TGG supporters and pundits. But if you criticize someone within our own sport you can join the band, that is an indication of where our priorities and sense of values lie.
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Post by knightsthatsay on Oct 11, 2016 5:15:07 GMT
The international game is where RU does so much better than RL.
Other than that, at club level I don't believe there is much different in support.
The average sports fan can name 5-10 England RU international because of the 6 nations , tour series and WC that happen every year. RL pales at this point although kiwi tour last year help it needs to develop this area of RL.
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Post by russ on Oct 11, 2016 6:29:19 GMT
The international game is where RU does so much better than RL. Other than that, at club level I don't believe there is much different in support. The average sports fan can name 5-10 England RU international because of the 6 nations , tour series and WC that happen every year. RL pales at this point although kiwi tour last year help it needs to develop this area of RL. Our international framework and impact are a product of Aussie indifference to that aspect of our game and a previous lack of a real calendar for tests. But it's a chicken and egg point in RL.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 6:50:26 GMT
Doubt RL will ever catch up Union internationally, there is a broader fan base world wide and it's governing body are on a different planet with its level of professionalism, where we put Union to shame is he domestic game in the UK. I've been to a few Wales games and the atmosphere and game day experience is pretty awesome, even been to Edinburgh to sit in the Greyfriars Bobby pub with Wales and Scotland fans on match day, sing songs and watch the game on a big screen and it was a brilliant day out.
In the Southern hemisphere they have what is almost a 3rd variation of rugby in the Super Rugby competition, it is almost a 15 man game of RL, very skilful and pretty decent entertainment.
Don't know why everyone is fascinated with competing with RU, different sport and in the UK at least different fans, our powers that be would be much better served looking to attract Union fans to watch a game of RL than trying to outdo them. RL should embrace it is a faster more open game with more physicality, think a couple of rules tweeks would help make the games more exciting personally.
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Post by Chico on Oct 11, 2016 8:52:33 GMT
I was channel-hopping this weekend and found myself watching a game of Union - Saracens vs Wasps. I tried really hard to get into it and I wanted to understand what aspects of the game manage to get tens of thousands of paying fans to turn up week in, week out. I 'get' that the kicking is much more superior than RL but apart from that I fail to see the attraction, but something captures the imagination of the punters. After witnessing the drama of our win over KR and then the quality on show in the Super League Grand Final, it begs the question - why is Rugby League so unpopular in comparison to Union? I know that I'm a little biased, but if the RFL and Super League clubs could figure out what makes people turn up to games there's no reason why Rugby League shouldn't be able to pull in much bigger gates in the future. Thoughts? I don't think union is greatly supported at club level.Internationally yes.I have watched Salford for over 60 years and the saying was union was amateur run by professionals and league was professional run by amateurs. Not the case anymore, I’m afraid. The average attendance in last season’s Guinness Premiership was 13,611. Leicester’s home crowds average over 21,000 with most others over 10,000. The lowest home average in the league is Sale at around 6,100.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 11, 2016 12:03:27 GMT
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Post by russ on Oct 11, 2016 13:41:35 GMT
I've heard this argument countless times and all it seems to mean is RL disappears. Merger the financial world speak for a friendly takeover. (only friendly till it's all too obvious and much too late!) There is a reason the jeu de quinze doesn't cut the mustard in this way already and it's obvious to anyone why, except its devotees!
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Post by russ on Oct 11, 2016 15:31:53 GMT
One of the main reasons it's popular may be because their commentators make it sound so wonderful no matter what is going on on the pitch!
It's very much a case of popular delusions and the madness of crowds to quote the title of a book I read years ago.
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