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Post by russ on Sept 10, 2016 15:54:31 GMT
Got to be said great day for Leigh. well done to all concerned.
And one in the eye for the miiddle 8 haters
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Post by tony13 on Sept 10, 2016 16:42:51 GMT
Aye! Well done, Leigh! Fully deserved.
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Post by Carnster on Sept 10, 2016 16:44:41 GMT
To be fair, I think the 8's format is flawed and certainly handicaps Championship clubs. Leigh have managed to beat the system by competing financially with SL Clubs and basically having a full time, SL quality squad. I don't think any other Club outside of SL, could, or will do it again, unless they do what Leigh have done.
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Post by russ on Sept 10, 2016 18:25:51 GMT
To be fair, I think the 8's format is flawed and certainly handicaps Championship clubs. Leigh have managed to beat the system by competing financially with SL Clubs and basically having a full time, SL quality squad. I don't think any other Club outside of SL, could, or will do it again, unless they do what Leigh have done. I think in Leeds case it let the worst team(overall) off the hook with a second chance. But penalty counts can do that too, can't they?  Carnster I think you're wrong here it's been a bit of a breath of fresh air all achieved within the guidelines and rules. There are other debateable point about all this but you're better off on TotalRL cos they've droned on and on about it for about four decades and counting!  Related to this what does this do for SRD's chances? |
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Post by tony13 on Sept 10, 2016 19:09:48 GMT
What does this do for SRD's chances?
In and of itself, nothing. We're still destined for the mpg. However, IF London can turn over HKR tomorrow and we can put 50 on Fev, that will be a game changer and give us an escape route from the mpg.
I still think we haven't got a cat in hell's chance if we find ourselves in the mpg, though. So, "Come on Salford!" and "Come on London!"
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Post by bonitared on Sept 10, 2016 20:05:09 GMT
Totally deserved,well done.
Am I right in concluding that ,if all results go as expected ie Superleague teams beat those from the championship, and that's a big 'if' then the crucial game becomes HKR against Giants in the final match.
As one of them has to win,OK unless it's a draw,then it means we are already consigned to the mpg,irrespective of our points difference,so the only relevance would be 'home' advantage wherever that might be . And that's all we have to play for?
Is that correct ?
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Post by Carnster on Sept 10, 2016 20:55:56 GMT
To be fair, I think the 8's format is flawed and certainly handicaps Championship clubs. Leigh have managed to beat the system by competing financially with SL Clubs and basically having a full time, SL quality squad. I don't think any other Club outside of SL, could, or will do it again, unless they do what Leigh have done. I think in Leeds case it let the worst team(overall) off the hook with a second chance. But penalty counts can do that too, can't they? Carnster I think you're wrong here it's been a bit of a breath of fresh air all achieved within the guidelines and rules. There are other debateable point about all this but you're better off on TotalRL cos they've droned on and on about it for about four decades and counting! Related to this what does this do for SRD's chances? It is a flawed system though, whether it works or not. If you have the backing and the money you can basically buy a shot at the mpg, or give yourself a chance in the qualifiers. Leigh benefit over the other Championship sides by being able to spend extra money to make up to the SL cap. No other Championship club in the qualifiers has had this luxury and probably no other Club could afford to. Not to mention full time status. It's an unfair advantage and is really an illusion of promotion to any of the other Clubs who make up the numbers. Any SL Club that will drop down will gain the same advantage for the following season. I'd rather see the one up one down, maybe with second last and second playing a one-off game for the other spot. |
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Post by tony13 on Sept 10, 2016 22:36:54 GMT
Totally deserved,well done. Am I right in concluding that ,if all results go as expected ie Superleague teams beat those from the championship, and that's a big 'if' then the crucial game becomes HKR against Giants in the final match. As one of them has to win,OK unless it's a draw,then it means we are already consigned to the mpg,irrespective of our points difference,so the only relevance would be 'home' advantage wherever that might be . And that's all we have to play for? Is that correct ? No. Technically, we could finish 3rd on points difference and avoid the mpg. However, our pd is the worst of HKR, Hudds and ourselves. |
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Post by russ on Sept 11, 2016 12:52:50 GMT
I think in Leeds case it let the worst team(overall) off the hook with a second chance. But penalty counts can do that too, can't they? Carnster I think you're wrong here it's been a bit of a breath of fresh air all achieved within the guidelines and rules. There are other debateable point about all this but you're better off on TotalRL cos they've droned on and on about it for about four decades and counting! Related to this what does this do for SRD's chances? It is a flawed system though, whether it works or not. If you have the backing and the money you can basically buy a shot at the mpg, or give yourself a chance in the qualifiers. Leigh benefit over the other Championship sides by being able to spend extra money to make up to the SL cap. No other Championship club in the qualifiers has had this luxury and probably no other Club could afford to. Not to mention full time status. It's an unfair advantage and is really an illusion of promotion to any of the other Clubs who make up the numbers. Any SL Club that will drop down will gain the same advantage for the following season. I'd rather see the one up one down, maybe with second last and second playing a one-off game for the other spot. A flawed system is one that doesn't work not necessarily one that favours certain clubs as SL shows us all too well. The rules as they stand allow any club to be promoted in the same way. There is nothing illusory about Leigh's promotion Carnster as they will be in SL next year. Though I agree with you that one up one down is at least over and done with and not this protracted torture which is the only way I can describe the middle 8's. |
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Post by tony13 on Sept 11, 2016 13:20:29 GMT
Russ, the middle 8s are only "protracted torture" because we are Salford and can't be relied on to do the simple things right. Like beating HKR at home! If we'd won that game, we'd have 4 points now and be looking to finish on 10, which would leave us safe. Instead, I'm trying to convince myself that a bizarre sequence of results will see us finish 3rd and avoid the mpg. I'm sure Leeds and Leigh are both relishing the middle 8s.
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Post by Carnster on Sept 11, 2016 17:00:58 GMT
It is a flawed system though, whether it works or not. If you have the backing and the money you can basically buy a shot at the mpg, or give yourself a chance in the qualifiers. Leigh benefit over the other Championship sides by being able to spend extra money to make up to the SL cap. No other Championship club in the qualifiers has had this luxury and probably no other Club could afford to. Not to mention full time status. It's an unfair advantage and is really an illusion of promotion to any of the other Clubs who make up the numbers. Any SL Club that will drop down will gain the same advantage for the following season. I'd rather see the one up one down, maybe with second last and second playing a one-off game for the other spot. A flawed system is one that doesn't work not necessarily one that favours certain clubs as SL shows us all too well. The rules as they stand allow any club to be promoted in the same way. There is nothing illusory about Leigh's promotion Carnster as they will be in SL next year. Though I agree with you that one up one down is at least over and done with and not this protracted torture which is the only way I can describe the middle 8's. We'll agree to disagree on the finer points, russ. |
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Post by bonitared on Sept 11, 2016 17:31:48 GMT
Dave Woods on Radio Manchester suggested that it's clearly nonsense for Fev and Batley in the play offs.
He said that ,at any one time,only perhaps 2 Championship clubs could be ready for Superleague and so it should be reduced to 6. Bottom 4 and top 2.
Chris Irvine tweeted that points difference should be changed to head to head results when positions are tied.
Both make sense
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 17:44:51 GMT
Can't and won't congratulate Leigh as quite frankly I despise Beaumont, I know the Doc is derisive but some of the comments the sun deck sales man has come out with are vile. I personally sincerely hope there is some dirt dug up next season and there are points deducted.
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Post by russ on Sept 11, 2016 17:56:06 GMT
Don't be shy Michigan tell us what you really think! |
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Post by russ on Sept 11, 2016 18:07:34 GMT
A flawed system is one that doesn't work not necessarily one that favours certain clubs as SL shows us all too well. The rules as they stand allow any club to be promoted in the same way. There is nothing illusory about Leigh's promotion Carnster as they will be in SL next year. Though I agree with you that one up one down is at least over and done with and not this protracted torture which is the only way I can describe the middle 8's. We'll agree to disagree on the finer points, russ. Nothing wrong with that Carnster we can talk about anything on here!  |
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