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Post by redunderthebed on Sept 23, 2018 16:55:48 GMT
Ok. So after this round is finished I’ve tried to work out what the table could be after next week.
I’ve assumed London will beat Halifax and KR will beat Widnes. Also that there won’t be any really crazy scores to cancel the massive points difference advantage we have over most teams. And that others points difference stay similar. I know these aren’t certain but should be right.
So if we test other 2 games
Salford W Leeds W
Leeds 12
Salford 10
KR 10
Toronto 8
London 8
Salford W Toronto W
Salford 10
Leeds 10
Toronto 10
KR 10
London 8
Toulouse W Leeds W
Leeds 12
KR 10
Salford 8
Toronto 8
London 8
Toulouse 8
(London and Toulouse points difference only 3 in favour of London so could swap bottom but you’d fancy London to best fav by more than Toulouse beat us I hope!)
Toulouse W Toronto W
Leeds 10
Toronto 10
KR 10
Salford 8
London 8
Toulouse 8
(See above)
If KR lose I think the lowest we can finish is 3rd
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 17:01:41 GMT
Ok. So after this round is finished I’ve tried to work out what the table could be after next week. I’ve assumed London will beat Halifax and KR will beat Widnes. Also that there won’t be any really crazy scores to cancel the massive points difference advantage we have over most teams. And that others points difference stay similar. I know these aren’t certain but should be right. So if we test other 2 games Salford W Leeds W Leeds 12 Salford 10 KR 10 Toronto 8 London 8 Salford W Toronto W Salford 10 Leeds 10 Toronto 10 KR 10 London 8 Toulouse W Leeds W Leeds 12 KR 10 Salford 8 Toronto 8 London 8 Toulouse 8 (London and Toulouse points difference only 3 in favour of London so could swap bottom but you’d fancy London to best fav by more than Toulouse beat us I hope!) Toulouse W Toronto W Leeds 10 Toronto 10 KR 10 Salford 8 London 8 Toulouse 8 (See above) If KR lose I think the lowest we can finish is 3rd I like the look of scenario 2! |
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Post by redunderthebed on Sept 23, 2018 17:06:25 GMT
I think we pray to the RL gods for Salford win and leeds and KR to lose. One of those happens and we avoid MPG (I think)
From a selfish point of view I hope we win and Toronto win and we finish top. Despite our blip that feels fairest to me. We’re 6 points over 2 games away from having 7 from 7. If we could have sneaked the win at Leeds we’d be safe even with London and Leeds would be in real chance of being in MPG
From a most exciting for RL then wins for Toulouse, Toronto and Widnes would mean (I think!) KR and Widnes relegated. Halifax stay down. Leeds, Salford and Toronto automatically in SL and London and Toulouse in MPG
What a way to end the middle 8s that would be!!
But I would of course much rather put it all to bed by winning on Thursday
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Post by redunderthebed on Sept 23, 2018 17:07:28 GMT
I agree London Red
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Post by redunderthebed on Sept 23, 2018 17:14:43 GMT
Current points difference for those currently 2nd to 6th
Toronto +17
KR -13
London -10
Toulouse -13
So wins for Widnes, Toronto, London and Toulouse would probably see a table of:
Leeds 10
Salford 8
Toronto 8
London 8
Toulouse 8
KR 8
Widnes 4
Halifax 0
Which would be insane
I hate the middle 8s in many ways but it’s the most exciting format RL has ever seen for deciding relegation and promotion. Maybe in any sport
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Post by dixon13 on Sept 23, 2018 17:22:18 GMT
Current points difference for those currently 2nd to 6th Toronto +17 KR -13 London -10 Toulouse -13 So wins for Widnes, Toronto, London and Toulouse would probably see a table of: Leeds 10 Salford 8 Toronto 8 London 8 Toulouse 8 KR 8 Widnes 4 Halifax 0 Which would be insane I hate the middle 8s in many ways but it’s the most exciting format RL has ever seen for deciding relegation and promotion. Maybe in any sport I thought I read they getting rid |
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Post by redunderthebed on Sept 23, 2018 17:26:15 GMT
They are Dixon
I can see why. The excitement comes from the extreme peril involved. in theory there could 4 up 4 down and it’s getting closer to that every year
It makes planning for the following season impossible for a third of super league and championship teams because of the uncertainty
It’s also more exciting that the premier comp - the Super 8s - which is never a good look in presentational terms
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 17:37:32 GMT
So what you're saying is if 2 trains leave a station at the same time one heading west and the other east Hull KR might get relegated?
I'd rather Toronto miss out but beggars can't be choosers.
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Post by dixon13 on Sept 23, 2018 17:54:45 GMT
They are Dixon I can see why. The excitement comes from the extreme peril involved. in theory there could 4 up 4 down and it’s getting closer to that every year It makes planning for the following season impossible for a third of super league and championship teams because of the uncertainty It’s also more exciting that the premier comp - the Super 8s - which is never a good look in presentational terms So is it a straight one for one. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2018 18:03:57 GMT
They are Dixon I can see why. The excitement comes from the extreme peril involved. in theory there could 4 up 4 down and it’s getting closer to that every year It makes planning for the following season impossible for a third of super league and championship teams because of the uncertainty It’s also more exciting that the premier comp - the Super 8s - which is never a good look in presentational terms So is it a straight one for one. Yep - one up, one down from now on. |
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Post by woody74 on Sept 24, 2018 7:24:37 GMT
I understand the aspect of teams not being able to plan for next season with the 8s format, but personally will miss the excitement of it. Straight one up one down could lead to a lot of dead rubber games towards the end of the session.
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Post by dixon13 on Sept 24, 2018 7:32:39 GMT
I understand the aspect of teams not being able to plan for next season with the 8s format, but personally will miss the excitement of it. Straight one up one down could lead to a lot of dead rubber games towards the end of the session. Personally I think one up one down is the right way.If you finish first you are the champions if you finish bottom you are relgated.That's the way it is in every other sports. So on that thinking Widnes down Toronto up. |
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Post by Red Devil on Sept 24, 2018 8:13:45 GMT
My reckoning:
Salford win = safe
Salford lose and: Toronto AND HKR win = Home MPG vs Toulouse or London (if London win by 11 more points than Toulouse beat Salford)
Salford lose and: Toronto OR HKR win = safe
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Post by redunderthebed on Sept 24, 2018 9:16:43 GMT
I think thats right Dave but by my reckoning London are in a better points difference than Toulouse so have a slight cushion and can afford to beat Halifax by 2 fewer than Toulouse win by so london most likely to be at home in that scenario (but may have got that wrong!)
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Post by redunderthebed on Sept 24, 2018 10:04:54 GMT
I understand the aspect of teams not being able to plan for next season with the 8s format, but personally will miss the excitement of it. Straight one up one down could lead to a lot of dead rubber games towards the end of the session. I agree about how much more interesting it makes it. In the new structure then there’s likely to be at least 3 teams with nothing to play for by the time of the loop fixtures but I guess that’s no different to places 6 to 8 in Super 8s really? Does seem a shame to get rid of middle 8s just as it is really delivering on its aims. I think 1st year all 4 SL clubs stayed up. 2nd year Hull KR went down and Leigh up. Last year Leigh back down and KR back up but it was close between Catalans, Leigh and a champuonship team (London?) for the MPG slots. This year it is still feasible (but unlikely) going into the last round that 3 championship teams could come up. And now they get rid! You’d have to say that Leeds are safe and Salford and Rovers are favourites for the other automatic places but it’s far from guaranteed. regardless of results there is so much pressure on Rovers in particular - playing last, in 4th place now, could be 5th or even 6th by the time they play. Would be like playing a million pound game to get into the million pound game. Sky will be kids cling themselves if it ends up KR needing to win to stay up and it’s not on telly. |
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