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Post by bigt on Jul 8, 2016 8:36:25 GMT
Hi All,
First of all this is not a doom and gloom message (what’s happened has happened)
I post this here because I believe many more of you guys contributing have far far more knowledge than me.
Ok so first off what’s the coaching set up like at Salford and indeed other Sl clubs?
In my mind a set up along the lines of
Fitness coaches
Technical coach
defensive coach
goal kicking and in play kicking coach
halves / backs and forward coaches (specialist coaches for each area)
all under the guidance of a Head coach.
Now if this is the way then great. But it comes across like we have a head coach and 1 maybe 2 assistance running the whole lot. It seems one week we will work on defence and its great but we have no go forward. The next we are throwing it around in attack but our defence is non-existent. It appears we do not have enough man hours to coach all aspects of the game.
Rugby in its entirety seem a little amateurish (I admit it has improved light years in recent terms).
We have Man Utd and City on our door step, two of the biggest football clubs in the world to try to tap into, Go see their infrastructures and see where we can implement the ideas in our sport.
I know the money between the two sports is world apart but still try to soak up the professionalism.
If the two clubs mentioned above are too far a leap, we still have a huge number of championship clubs and league 1 clubs littered around us who operate at a greater level to our own.
Thanks for reading and any comments greatly appreciated.
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Post by Carnster on Jul 8, 2016 9:13:52 GMT
I think you make some decent points. What you're suggesting about looking at football set-ups has actually been done in the past by RL Clubs. Australian ones. My Family has connections to Penrith and many years ago the Panthers sent senior officials to shadow Manchester United in a bid to generate ideas and take good things from the football set-up and apply it to the Panthers. If you look what they have done with their new Panthers Rugby League Academy, something that was brought back to Australia as an idea from looking at football set-ups, and you can see how these kinds of things can really benefit RL Clubs.    Now I know there is more money in the NRL for these things to become reality, but if you look what the Panthers had previously it was in some areas worse than the Willows. As a Club we're going in the right direction. What we need is stability, no more off-field dramas, and to build in the areas you suggest. |
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Post by bandgeekmafia78 on Jul 8, 2016 11:09:06 GMT
Hi bigt welcome to the forum. I don't know the ins and outs of the coaching set-up, but we do have a few other staff members working alongside Watson and Sheens. Martin Gleeson - Assistant Coach Jamie Elkaleh - Analysis Greg Brown - Strength and Conditioning Lloyd Parker - Nutritionist 2x Physiotherapists and a Soft Tissue Specialist. There are also various assistants and youth team coaches. I'm not sure how this compares to other SL clubs unfortunately. I would hazard a guess that Rugby League teams can't compete with Premier League football teams when it comes to coaching, but it wouldn't do us any harm to create a link/affiliation with one of the local clubs for knowledge/idea exchange. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 11:19:39 GMT
Think we need a dedicated defensive coach, it's fine have the fancy Dan play going forward but when you don't have the defence to back it up simply outscoring your opponents each week is never going to be the answer. Maybe Karl Harrison a couple of days a week might be a partial solution.
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Post by bigt on Jul 8, 2016 11:46:54 GMT
Cheers for the Replies.
Regarding Penrith, I watched a few segments before the NRL games a couple weeks ago about the new set up they have installed. It’s phenomenal, trying to make even the youth players feel a million dollars surrounding them with top of the line facilities and equipment. They are at the top of the NRL in this respect and will no doubt reap the rewards in a few short years.
The defensive aspect needs attention, even the newest fan can see that, ever since I can remember if a team had a set of 6 within out 20m 9/10 they would score. Our right side last night was bad and we looked powerless to do anything about it.
Years gone by I could oh attribute this to an attitude issue. But with this set of lads we have now it doesn’t seem/feel the case. It looks like a coaching issue. A failure to change a failing process.
Every attack to our right edge from Wire last night made huge meters and a fair few try’s.
We didn’t change anything up and hoped that we would eventually shut them down.
As for Karl. It would be great to get him on board. Liked him as head coach a few years back. But
A) Would he come back as a def coach after being top dog?
B) Is he employed? (lazy not checking I know)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2016 12:00:01 GMT
Re Harrison, think he left Bradford last year and isn't involved in coaching currently, always seemed to add some steel to any teams defence.
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Post by reds89 on Jul 8, 2016 13:55:36 GMT
Re Harrison, think he left Bradford last year and isn't involved in coaching currently, always seemed to add some steel to any teams defence. Karl now has his own players agency Elite Star Management and has stated that he has no desire to get back into coaching anytime soon. |
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Post by knightsthatsay on Jul 8, 2016 14:11:39 GMT
Surely one way to help salford in the long term is to invest in the local amateur clubs.
I'm constantly hearing about the 9 or 10 amateur clubs in Wigan and how they bring players through to warriors.
There are 3 or so in the salford/manchester area I believe. How about supporting them, making them a breeding ground for future talent?
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Post by bandgeekmafia78 on Jul 8, 2016 14:43:52 GMT
Surely one way to help salford in the long term is to invest in the local amateur clubs. I'm constantly hearing about the 9 or 10 amateur clubs in Wigan and how they bring players through to warriors. There are 3 or so in the salford/manchester area I believe. How about supporting them, making them a breeding ground for future talent? The club are well on their way to doing this. I interviewed Marwan a couple of weeks ago (see: Q&A with Marwan Koukash thread) and he made it clear that more funding would be invested in to the youth academy and local rugby teams. The club understand that the limitation of the salary cap means that it's paramount to bring through our own players. There is also the 'Rising Stars' program that has been started. See more here.
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Post by knightsthatsay on Jul 8, 2016 21:41:00 GMT
Thanks for the info....
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Post by redunderthebed on Jul 9, 2016 0:32:45 GMT
The links betwee the Red Devils and the local community clubs are stronger than ever' especially with the junior set ups. Regular meetings with the junior coaches plus training and development sessions, players out at the clubs a couple of times a year, players invited in to train with SRD coaches from u12s (I think), clear pathway from amateur club to SRD Academy for teenagers, more school teams supported by SRD, targets for % of academy team from local clubs, couple of junior rugby tournaments a year
all good stuff and the foundation are doing a great job. But it's a slow burner and won't pay any results of note for best part of 10 years probably
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Post by redunderthebed on Jul 9, 2016 0:33:24 GMT
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