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Post by tony13 on Mar 30, 2018 20:55:18 GMT
Thanks for the link, Carnster. Having watched it, a few observations. Firstly, some of our tackling is 'suspect'. Late and high. Technique needs to be improved or some refs will crucify us. Secondly, laying on. Catalans seemed to do a fair bit of this and, from my own watching experience, this is something refs nail us for every time. Thirdly, there are some good passing movements in there. A bit more variety and we could trouble many teams. Fourthly, the team spirit looks to be very strong, with Junior leading the encouragement every time. Great team player and a real asset! It's not all doom and gloom. There are many positives. I remember Schofield writing us off before a game at Headingley (ca. 2008?). Guess what? We won. History to repeat itself on Monday? Hope so!
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Post by Carnster on Mar 30, 2018 22:02:39 GMT
Thought our attacking play was pretty good. Certainly, if more fashionable teams had scored the tries we did today they would be gushing over them. Quality off-the-cuff RL. We're a team that could go either way to be honest. We have the makings of a really good team but also the problems and niggles of a below average team. I guess it's up to the coaching staff to try and make it the former rather than the latter.
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Mar 31, 2018 7:06:20 GMT
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Post by mrg on Mar 31, 2018 7:06:20 GMT
I’ve not seen the other games yet but surely a couple of contenders for try of the week there.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 7:09:16 GMT
Brilliant performance yesterday in some ways but others quite poor.
Think most teams in SL would have rattled of a cricket score against Catalan, they really do look like they are playing for the wooden spoon already (McNamara really is a terrible RL coach).
Maintain our pack is as big and workman like as I've ever seen, didn't really appreciate how good Mossop is and is the perfect captain, Tasi is loving his time back at the club but needs urgently to sharpen up his tackling as yet again he is going to get himself banned for a game or 2, when Flash is on the pitch we look like we have a rudder when he gets spelled we regress slightly so I'd leave him on for 80 minutes if possible.
Tell you what the Welham try was a whole different level of class that you can't see on the replays, his one handed fake off loads and passes fooled everyone and was just sublime.
Think we can put to bed any arguments about Evalds being a good full back, I'd be looking to tie him to an even longer deal as surely the big boys will notice just what a talent and asset he is. He looks fearless when taking the ball and seems to be playing more of a linking roll which GOD brought to the team.
Josh Wood just gets better and better, seems to be maturing each game and thought he looked just as comfortable at 7 or 9, Brining apparently is close to first team action again so there is a real headache as can't see a place for JLJ, Tomkins, Brining, Wood and Lui.
What did p!ss me off though is losing last week to Widnes, with the game management and attacking prowess of yesterday we'd have won and would be safely in the top 8 looking like we had a chance of not being involved in the melee to avoid the middle 8's.
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Post by mrg on Mar 31, 2018 7:53:52 GMT
Brilliant performance yesterday in some ways but others quite poor. Think most teams in SL would have rattled of a cricket score against Catalan, they really do look like they are playing for the wooden spoon already (McNamara really is a terrible RL coach). Maintain our pack is as big and workman like as I've ever seen, didn't really appreciate how good Mossop is and is the perfect captain, Tasi is loving his time back at the club but needs urgently to sharpen up his tackling as yet again he is going to get himself banned for a game or 2, when Flash is on the pitch we look like we have a rudder when he gets spelled we regress slightly so I'd leave him on for 80 minutes if possible. Tell you what the Welham try was a whole different level of class that you can't see on the replays, his one handed fake off loads and passes fooled everyone and was just sublime. Think we can put to bed any arguments about Evalds being a good full back, I'd be looking to tie him to an even longer deal as surely the big boys will notice just what a talent and asset he is. He looks fearless when taking the ball and seems to be playing more of a linking roll which GOD brought to the team. Josh Wood just gets better and better, seems to be maturing each game and thought he looked just as comfortable at 7 or 9, Brining apparently is close to first team action again so there is a real headache as can't see a place for JLJ, Tomkins, Brining, Wood and Lui. What did p!ss me off though is losing last week to Widnes, with the game management and attacking prowess of yesterday we'd have won and would be safely in the top 8 looking like we had a chance of not being involved in the melee to avoid the middle 8's. Spot on. Mossop has stood out already for me this season and we need to get Josh Wood tied down to a long term deal too.
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Post by bonitared on Mar 31, 2018 10:17:53 GMT
Michigan Red,I agree with virtually all you’ve said except your assessment of Catalans. Agreed that they are bottom of the comp for good reason and that McNamara is hopeless. I think there’s a decent team in there trying to get out. They’ve a very tough pack which is half the battle and some talented inside backs with pace on the flank. Jodie looks back to his best. They will climb the table with a new coach and in the summer. Sadly JLJ doesn’t show any signs at all which is why we’ve signed the Wigan lad. On interview Watson praised Wood and said he preferred him at hooker which means that Brinning will need to up to the mark to get back in. Tomkins is very tough and a far better player than he’s given credit for. Resilient.
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Post by SalfordSlim on Mar 31, 2018 11:41:25 GMT
Missed the game yesterday as on a society golf day (the least said about that the better!😂). Great win (as they all are when you're fighting to avoid the bottom 4) and some of the tries were top quality (tho I think one definitely involved a borderline forward pass!). Agreed on the tackling as well... Lama puts in some monster hits but the odd one is gonna get him put onto the naughty step and he can still have the same impact legally if he sorts himself out. As for Josh Wood, I couldn't see what people saw in him until around 12 months ago as he just got manhandled but boy has the kid bulked up and improved massively. He's a tough kid and has that great combination of grit and a little bit of class and our hooking options look really bright if Brining gets himself fit. Especially as Wood can slot in at 7 if required.
I think with this team we're going to see peaks and troughs especially when there are a few injuries and suspensions. We've got a pretty decent first 17 but all it takes is injuries to 2 or 3 key players and we'll feel it a lot more than most other teams because of our small squad and lack of strength in depth.
I honestly think Watto is doing as good a job as is possible as well. We need to persevere with him as it looks like morale is good and the squad we have got genuinely play for him and the shirt. We can't expect miracles with the resources he's got at his disposal and he needs our 100% backing as do the players.
Backing up on Monday at Leeds will be tough but if we can pull out a decent performance that will do me, win, lose or draw. We need to target beating Wire with home advantage, as they are still bang average IMO.
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Post by chief on Mar 31, 2018 15:00:34 GMT
To agree with two points previously made:
1. We look a much better side with ball in hand when Flash is on the field. A lot was said about O'Brian being an extra pivot and Evalds may grow into this roll but Flash also has the rugby brain to act as an additional pivot. It is no coincidence we had our best spell last year when O'Biannualand Flash were playing well.
2. Tompkins is underrated by some people. Had a good solid game yesterday and hits well for his size (as does Wood). Logan may not be lightening quick or come up with eye-catching breaks from dummy half but he rarely lets the side down and looks like he is giving 100% whenever he plays.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2018 15:50:22 GMT
To agree with two points previously made: 1. We look a much better side with ball in hand when Flash is on the field. A lot was said about O'Brian being an extra pivot and Evalds may grow into this roll but Flash also has the rugby brain to act as an additional pivot. It is no coincidence we had our best spell last year when O'Biannualand Flash were playing well. 2. Tompkins is underrated by some people. Had a good solid game yesterday and hits well for his size (as does Wood). Logan may not be lightening quick or come up with eye-catching breaks from dummy half but he rarely lets the side down and looks like he is giving 100% whenever he plays. I disagree on Tompkins. He works hard and keeps going but is far too slow picking the ball up and his passing is poor. So often the first reciever gets the ball too high or behind them. Wood’s passing is much better and Brinning is much faster.
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Post by kilop on Mar 31, 2018 16:03:05 GMT
To agree with two points previously made: 1. We look a much better side with ball in hand when Flash is on the field. A lot was said about O'Brian being an extra pivot and Evalds may grow into this roll but Flash also has the rugby brain to act as an additional pivot. It is no coincidence we had our best spell last year when O'Biannualand Flash were playing well. 2. Tompkins is underrated by some people. Had a good solid game yesterday and hits well for his size (as does Wood). Logan may not be lightening quick or come up with eye-catching breaks from dummy half but he rarely lets the side down and looks like he is giving 100% whenever he plays. I disagree on Tompkins. He works hard and keeps going but is far too slow picking the ball up and his passing is poor. So often the first reciever gets the ball too high or behind them. Wood’s passing is much better and Brinning is much faster. I disagree with you mate, although wood and brinning offer speed off the mark, Tomkins offers a far better defensive option. He really does punch above his weight and I’ve seen him ping out some seriously good balls from acting half to 1st man.Each to their own, but don’t underestimate the importance of him. Am looking forward to Brinning being back though
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Post by redunderthebed on Mar 31, 2018 21:07:19 GMT
It seems to me that Watson’s tactics this year are to let the forwards and our bigger backs plough into the opposition for an hour until they tire and then start passing the ball around. This will work pretty well against many teams as long as we keep it tight defensively for that first hour. Where it hasn’t worked there have been reasons....
Wigan spotted the defence was compressed on our right edge and used overlaps to allow their pace to flourish Wakefield we didn’t kick any goals Saints I wasnt there so cant really say Cas got away from us early in after our errors. After that we matched them but was too late Widnes was the worst executed game management I have ever seen. The tactics were dull but (probably) right. We’d spotted that they couldn't catch and it was working. We had the game won but stuff like not been able to find touch with one kick when down to 12 men, giving stupid penalties away, not scoring more than one try when we were camped on their line for 1st 20 killed us in the end
Yesterday like the games against the Hulls it worke pd a treat. We should have won by more really and I wonder if the wobble at the end of the first and start of the second is partly down to the tactics. Because we keep it tight early even when we’re so dominant I wonder if the players get a bit frustrated. We don’t score many early tries to allow the release of tension so I wonder if some players try and get that rush from big hits instead or lose focus and run off side too quickly. Might be nonsense but there’s something happening in most games between about 30 and 50-60 minutes where we’re not as focussed or as strong as the rest of the game, even the games we’ve won.
There’s no doubt that going forward we are like a different team when Flash is playing. I think him missing the back end of last year was our biggest problem and reason for our lack of form. We are missing GOB going forward. Especially near the opposition try line. That first 20 against Widnes was crying out for some of Gaz’s passing and assists and we’re going to have to find that from someone else. Evalds can’t do it yet. He might be able to develop it. He has shown flashes of it and his short kicks into touch yesterday were promising too but too often he keeps hold of the ball or his passing isn’t good enough near the line. The telegraphed interception was a classic of that yesterday. It was all set up for a classic try and I think GOB would have seen the threat and made a different decision.
That said Niall does give us a much bigger running threat. And I think that is part of the reason we are scoring more trie# from distance. The ball back on the inside works way better with Evalds than with GOB. we tried it loads of times with a Gaz and I don’t think it worked once. It has worked 3 or 4 times already since Evalds went to FB.
Anyhow I’m hoping we learned after last year that being brilliant at this stage of the season is less important than from June onwards and we’re saving our best for then. Yesterday was a good step in the right direction though
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Post by lemmy on Apr 1, 2018 12:02:17 GMT
Not much I can add on what's already been said really - a solid, much needed win. I think Catalans have the makings of a decent team, just lacking in a bit of confidence, and a decent coach!
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Post by dixon13 on Apr 1, 2018 13:45:38 GMT
I don't know where we will finish but Catalan will be below us.Yes the coach may not be good enough but would we be better with a different coach.And by the way I an not saying Watson should be sacked.
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Post by redunderthebed on Apr 1, 2018 14:11:29 GMT
Meant to also say in my over long post that I thought Wood was superb again. What a season he is having. His standing ovation as he came off was a lovely moment and well deserved Also I thought Mossop had a good game on the day but watching the highlights I’ve seen how involved he was in several tries
Jodie Broughton applauding the fans was good to see and was pleased to see Greg Bird, a player I love to hate, also applauding the Salford fans and finding time to chat to/high five the kids at the end was a nice touch
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