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Post by steald1977 on Feb 14, 2018 12:52:49 GMT
For those of you not on the Fleecebook...
DEREK SADDENED AT SALFORD SITUATION!
Talking of handing things over I mentioned in my last programme column Marwan’s departure at Salford. I make no secret of my fondness of Salford. I am Leigh through and through, make no mistake about that, but Salford will always have a place in my heart. It therefore saddens me to see what I believe is going to happen to the club. Marwan had to hand the club over. He is a businessman and knew what he needed to do commercially to try and make it work as a business but understandably that met fierce resistance and people voted with their feet. It is a mark of the man that he was big enough to accept and understand that and to hand over the club at no cost to people capable of running it and perhaps no one more qualified than a person that specialises in business recovery.
So why do I feel sad about what I believe is going to happen to the club? I was at the game on Friday against Wigan. Now if ever there was going to be a big crowd of people to support the club it would have been this game. New era, new owners, Marwan no longer in charge, all the talk of the community and various incentives surrounding that. If there was going to be a buy-in then this was the game. However, what I saw was a crowd that was significantly made up of a large travelling support from Wigan. Add to that those who left early in disappointment from the result who may have already decided that there is no chance of a successful season and I don’t see the numbers stacking up for the club to survive without Marwan’s money.
For me the new owners, whom I haven’t had the pleasure of meeting, have missed a trick. I know Marwan is a big, bold character and they would want to put their own identity on things and not be in his shadow but the guy has got money and is extremely well connected in the game. I would have made him a life member and kept him as involved as I could behind the scenes, keeping him close to the players, almost keeping him committed and obligated to the cause so I could call on him for advice and help and not least of all financial support when needed as even at clubs that break even there are always cashflow pitfalls.
Instead I have felt that he has been distanced from the club and almost cut adrift, which I find bizarre and sad. I may be talking out of turn here but whilst I was at the game I never saw anyone from the new board interact with Marwan or even visit his room to make sure everything was in order perhaps more so given Nigel Wood was a guest. I also sensed from Marwan that it was the start of the end of any emotional contact with the club and that is what would have been necessary to keep intact if they were to be able to call on him. On the field I saw a team blowing hot and cold that looked good in spells and far away in other parts. I almost sensed that there was no real belief and that could be down to losing a strong leader and the thought process that there is no real future without a character like Marwan or not least someone with his finances. I hope I am wrong but the vultures are already circling and I suspect that Salford will need to succumb to offers for players in a few months’ time unless one or all of the new owners can collectively stump up the significant sums of cash needed to keep everything together with the crowds they look like they will get. They have started with no luck losing a big player in Manu for the season and Ian Watson the one man they desperately need to keep at the club to steady the squad and give them a focus has already publicly stated he needs more players but the finance isn’t there. Very often coaches become deflated when they cannot get the support they need to fulfil the expectations placed upon them in a pressured environment. As for Marwan, I genuinely hope he stays involved in the game as he has so much to offer it. He is a very intelligent man, much more so than people give him credit for. Where he will end up time will tell. I often get asked will it be at Leigh? Well I can tell you I would welcome him with open arms as to half my burden on time and money needed this year would be a real blessing. However, I think he is going to enjoy his spare time with his family for at least a year and to spend the money he now doesn’t put into Salford on spending that time around various beautiful places in the world and you can’t blame him for that.
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Post by chang on Feb 14, 2018 12:59:32 GMT
He isn’t wrong.
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Post by woody74 on Feb 14, 2018 13:25:34 GMT
No he isn't wrong, but this smells of MK slipping Derek a tenner to print this...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 13:28:50 GMT
No he isn't wrong, but this smells of MK slipping Derek a tenner to print this... Agreed and he can’t have it both ways - he wanted out because he didn’t feel appreciated but now he’s left still wants to feel appreciated. It doesn’t work like that. Plus from the club’s point of view they needed a fresh start away from the previous regime to have any chance of bringing in more/stay away fans. Regardless of whether this is successful I think it was the only option.
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Post by gunner on Feb 14, 2018 13:43:53 GMT
A whiff of MK, you seem to know the inner workings of MK without ever meeting him? Thank you for your input, us Salford fans are under no illusion.
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Post by russ on Feb 14, 2018 13:57:26 GMT
Enter anti-MK characters stage left - right and even from the orchestra pit and throw in a few bash Beaumonts while we're at it. DB has as many detractors in RL as MK because we have so many people with money in our game we can afford to push them out the door without a by your leave. Like buses the next millionaire will be along any moment to save the club, none for hour or two and then three at once it's like going to Worsley.;-)
I keep saying I don't want to start a quarrel about MK because he's moved on and we have a financially poor set up in his place we all have to accept that but dismissing Marwan cos we're cross with him isn't the answer.
The points Derek brings up may be mistaken, premature or spot on but discussion doesn't seem a strong link when it comes to MK reaction.
Just saying I wrote but didn't post this before any posts on the subject.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 14:55:44 GMT
I dislike Beaumont intensely but much of that is sadly true.
I still maintain what I said around Christmas that I think 2018 may just be the end of the road.
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Post by bandgeekmafia78 on Feb 14, 2018 15:39:58 GMT
As I've said to Derek on numerous occasions, I wish he would butt out of our Club's affairs. It's absolutely nothing to do with him.
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Post by dixon13 on Feb 14, 2018 15:55:54 GMT
I dislike Beaumont intensely but much of that is sadly true. I still maintain what I said around Christmas that I think 2018 may just be the end of the road. Koucash wanted his ball back.When he could not get the name change.As for Beaumont he as not been a roaring success in the ownership stakes.Him and Koukash would make a good team I just don't know where.
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Post by russ on Feb 14, 2018 16:12:17 GMT
I dislike Beaumont intensely but much of that is sadly true. Are you talking about DK or me Michigan?I still maintain what I said around Christmas that I think 2018 may just be the end of the road. Sadly I agree.
As I thought for the posts though!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 16:50:30 GMT
Is this what we're going to have to suffer all season? Marwan getting his mates to take pot shots at the new regime with fans waiting to say 'I told you so' every time something goes wrong?
His emotional attachment to Salford ended when he tried to rebrand the club. If he stayed we would have lost the Salford name. If we now struggle financially we may get lose it in the future but let's at least give it a fair crack rather than write it off after a couple of months.
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Post by russ on Feb 14, 2018 19:55:42 GMT
Well first of all MK is not getting his mates to take potshots at the new regime. And I didn't pick up any I told you so's from the DB statement at all.
And as yet nothing has gone wrong to pick up on.
It's not certain we would've lost the name if he'd stayed.
And I don't think anyone is writing off the new regime and what I'm worried about is slow decline towards the inevitable.
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Post by Carnster on Feb 14, 2018 20:03:24 GMT
He's not wrong though is he?
I thought it was a measured and respectful commentary on our current circumstances. It's not negativity it's a realisation that the club is in a bad way with little obvious ways for that to change. I've said similar so far this year and the end of last, albeit without the MK parts as I don't know the man. I don't think it does us any good as Salford fans to deny what's staring us in the face or pretend that it's not happening. I've found this preseason and the start of this season to be intensely sad from my point of view. I think I'm watching the the final bits of life slowly ebb away from the club I've been a part of and has been a part of me since I was a kid. I'd love to be proven wrong about this season, and really hope beyond hope that I'm wide of the mark...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2018 23:35:42 GMT
Russ I think this was the giveaway from Beaumont's comments that it was name change or I quit from Marwan's point of view:
"He is a businessman and knew what he needed to do commercially to try and make it work as a business but understandably that met fierce resistance and people voted with their feet."
Carnster, of course there are concerns about the future. However the future was of Salford was also ebbing away under the previous owner if he had got his own way so we are no worse off in that regard.
We've probably got a season to get the club set up as a proper asset to the community and hope that the benefits this brings lead to more investment from the local area etc.
Maybe it won't happen but I'm certainly not writing it off after a couple of months of their ownership.
Failing this the euromillions is around £130m on Friday. Perhaps we should all lump on.
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Post by russ on Feb 15, 2018 7:20:19 GMT
He's not wrong though is he? I thought it was a measured and respectful commentary on our current circumstances. It's not negativity it's a realisation that the club is in a bad way with little obvious ways for that to change. I've said similar so far this year and the end of last, albeit without the MK parts as I don't know the man. I don't think it does us any good as Salford fans to deny what's staring us in the face or pretend that it's not happening. I've found this preseason and the start of this season to be intensely sad from my point of view. I think I'm watching the the final bits of life slowly ebb away from the club I've been a part of and has been a part of me since I was a kid. I'd love to be proven wrong about this season, and really hope beyond hope that I'm wide of the mark... No he's not wrong even though some of the evidence he put's forward is tenuous. As you can see I agree with you on this Carnster and I really hope we both end up being as wrong as we can possibly be, nothing would make me happier.
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