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Post by bonitared on Nov 21, 2017 22:32:55 GMT
I think that once all the agreements are in place and the ownership transfers to the Trust we will then see a lot more information coming out of the club. At the moment their hands are tied, but am confident that once all the legalities are completed we will have a bright new future with sensible hard working business people in charge who are passionate about our club . For what it’s worth I couldn’t disagree more. Ownership genuinely changing hands ? I doubt it,there’ll be a ‘weasel word’. Sensible,hard working business people ,I agree ,will be involved somewhere. They are passionate. I suspect there will be a back seat driver. Do we even know whether the new structure actually needs ratifying by the RFL ? I genuinely hope I’m wrong but this has a hint of smoke and mirrors about it
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Post by Carnster on Nov 22, 2017 11:21:14 GMT
Without any evidence at all I offer my opinion on this matter...
I personally think it's a way for MK to stop putting money into the club but retain control. Trustees will take up the financial slack for a 'democratic' say in how the club is run. However, I think MK will still hold the reigns, and I can see a clash of opinion and interests at some point in the future between MK and the trustees.
Like I said, I have no evidence, it's just a gut feeling based on what we already know, which isn't a lot I'll grant you.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 11:32:25 GMT
Without any evidence at all I offer my opinion on this matter... I personally think it's a way for MK to stop putting money into the club but retain control. Trustees will take up the financial slack for a 'democratic' say in how the club is run. However, I think MK will still hold the reigns, and I can see a clash of opinion and interests at some point in the future between MK and the trustees. Like I said, I have no evidence, it's just a gut feeling based on what we already know, which isn't a lot I'll grant you. A bit like you,I have no information or knowledge,just an opinion. Maybe all the market research last season came up with something of value. Maybe Dr K was told that the main problem was HIM and people did not take to his style of behaviour. What is happening is merely his way of keeping control but being away from the firing line. One thing is certain his hand will be on the tiller and any success will bring him out of the woodwork. JUST AN OPINION.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 11:34:34 GMT
I agree with Carnster, you can't see Koucash giving up control of the club based on his stewardship already where he appears to have had his paws on processes within the structure of the club he is patently not qualified to be involved in.
You have to ask yourself if you were investing money into the club but the owner were still pulling the strings in the background would you be willing to et him do so, his track record when utilising his own money isn't great and for me proves my stance that I will not spend money on a ST until I know who is involved and the structure that will be in place.
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Post by gunner on Nov 22, 2017 12:35:23 GMT
I think the general opinion is MK will still be directing the ship with puppets at the front to take the flack. He for me is still calling all the shots, this can be seen on twitter, he cannot help himself, advising all who care to listen when the next player will be arriving, not someone who is about to step down.
I have not renewed my ST & will continue to wait to see what changes if any are about to happen before renewing.
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Post by JJR on Nov 22, 2017 14:29:58 GMT
This thread was about LJ but it seems to have deviated. Anyway I think some of what Carnster says is true, it is a way of not investing more money in the Club and maybe there will be clashes but at least it will be a clash before it was merely another wrong move by MK. MK is an enthusiast and will always get involved, say the wrong things and make mistakes but he's a sharp cookie. I do think he has the Club at heart and recognises he's made mistakes but sadly he can't just keep throwing money down the bottomless pit. I think he's done the right thing; the Club has to begin to stand on its own two financial feet, the Club has to take responsibility for its actions and the crowds have to come.
I think we should also recognise some positives
He has saved the club from administration but sadly he appointed an idiot from Bradford who destroyed the team we had and brought in over priced players nearing the end of their career and sadly a couple of players who were found to be using drugs. I always wonder where a lot of the money went!!! Pity Sheens wasn't there from day1. He brought in Sheens to sort things out and give the Club a new direction, which he achieved He has given us the best season for years He has not walked away, changed the name, moved the club or sold it. We now have a young competitive team, he sold Ben but Cas sold Chase and Clarke when they were on the way up He has totally backed a young unproven Salford coach and CEO He guarantees the clubs debts He's at last made the City recognise us We've probably got the best squad we've ever had and it's now a team
I was totally disappointed that we didn't kick on from last year with more investment but we, the Club, should now prove ourselves, or not. It's in the fans hands.
So I think we should take a balanced view, give the new system a chance and look forward to another ride on the roller coaster...which undoubtedly it will be. I must admit I'd rather be in the position now than where we were just before he came.....not far away from administration
And we probably have the best front row, sorry middles, than we've ever had.
But again just, a rather long winded, opinion
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Post by Carnster on Nov 22, 2017 14:50:42 GMT
I can't argue with any of that, JJR. My post wasn't a pop at MK just an observation. It all may work out, or it might not. I just know one thing, and that's the timing of it all stinks!
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Post by JJR on Nov 22, 2017 14:58:46 GMT
Agree Carnster and I wasn't having a pop at you. We're going through another change which is frustrating but I think it needed to happen as the fans have to take responsibility.
I think he's done it on advice and from what he has said he expected to go through about 3 weeks ago but lawyers need to take their time to make their money!
Once we reach Christmas I think we'll see a much more positive approach. My fear is the Supporters Trust, it got lots of enthusiasm from a few but from what I've seen doesn't have the right level of ambition. I believe their are a number of well connected people in the Club who need to be engaged but I can't see this forum engaging them. It seems to be just s continuation of Forever Reds but I hope I'm wrong.
Beaumont did say to the Doc that Leigh is where it is because of the Save Leigh campaign and I think that's what engaged Beaumont, but that from what I've heard was a much more open and engaging organisation.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2017 15:14:05 GMT
I think he's done it on advice and from what he has said he expected to go through about 3 weeks ago but lawyers need to take their time to make their money! Why would he suggest a date then? Think the telling thing about who will ultimately hold control is that we have still been making signing, surely if the change was going to be of a serious nature the RFL would need to give it the green light. It's just more than a little unsettling, hope it is all settled sooner rather than later then people can start getting excited by a new season and seeing a couple of cracking new recruits in JLJ and Ben N See at least I got some form of reference to JLJ ;-)
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Post by JJR on Nov 22, 2017 15:27:11 GMT
Well done MR. Change is always unsettling and MK is always optimistic, which is no bad thing, but it's new and the RL isn't the most adept organisation.
Listening to Watson and seeing the progress we're making makes me feel very positive about the season, but, as always with out team, it's a game of snakes and ladders.
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Post by redwolf on Nov 22, 2017 16:41:27 GMT
I can't see these players agents allowing there players signing for a club that was on the way out, I think we will be pleasantly surprised in the end
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Post by gunner on Nov 22, 2017 17:12:33 GMT
Agree Carnster and I wasn't having a pop at you. We're going through another change which is frustrating but I think it needed to happen as the fans have to take responsibility. I think he's done it on advice and from what he has said he expected to go through about 3 weeks ago but lawyers need to take their time to make their money! Once we reach Christmas I think we'll see a much more positive approach. My fear is the Supporters Trust, it got lots of enthusiasm from a few but from what I've seen doesn't have the right level of ambition. I believe their are a number of well connected people in the Club who need to be engaged but I can't see this forum engaging them. It seems to be just s continuation of Forever Reds but I hope I'm wrong. Beaumont did say to the Doc that Leigh is where it is because of the Save Leigh campaign and I think that's what engaged Beaumont, but that from what I've heard was a much more open and engaging organisation. Beaumont did say to the Doc that Leigh is where it is because of the Save Leigh campaign and I think that's what engaged Beaumont, but that from what I've heard was a much more open and engaging organisation. I think this point hits the nail on the head, MK listens only to himself, I believe the answer lies in the club, unfortunately both fans & the club are poles apart & I don't see that ever changing with MK.
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Post by JJR on Nov 22, 2017 17:38:29 GMT
Agree G but sadly I think the new Supporters Trust seems a bit of a closed shop and doesn't engage fans, that's it's challenge. It seems to be ruled by the old group but we'll see. Dave ? tries hard.
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Post by osrd on Nov 22, 2017 18:10:48 GMT
Agree G but sadly I think the new Supporters Trust seems a bit of a closed shop and doesn't engage fans, that's it's challenge. It seems to be ruled by the old group but we'll see. Dave ? tries hard. I fail to see how you can suggest that the new Supporters Trust seems to be a bit of a closed shop and doesn’t engage with fans. You also suggest that it seems to be ruled by the old group,I assume by that you are alluding to Forever Reds. If my memory is correct,two of the Forever Reds board volunteered to be part of the new trust to get things sorted out ready for the AGM which should in January as Dave Campbell promised at the second meeting,this is cannot be classed as ruling the group. The new Trust is not a closed shop and it does engage with fans and as a member of the new trust I can certainly say that whoever is involved with the Trust they are certainly keeping myself and other members of my family clued up with what is going on etc. I am not a member of the new board by the way but I am happy with how things are going at present in what early days for the Supporters Trust.
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Post by JJR on Nov 22, 2017 18:31:48 GMT
Would love to think you're right OSRD and I am totally wrong.
At the meeting I went to it all seemed that Shirley? had formed a little group round Dave and they seemed to be running things through her twitter account at that time.
Think Dave is doing a great job and I really do hope it becomes ambitious and doesn't just become a fundraising group for the Foundation and U 16's.
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