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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2017 17:35:48 GMT
A question just occurred to me when reading about Krasniqi signing for them.
Because the laws of the land are totally different in Canada to the UK & France are Toronto still legally bound to the restrictions placed on other clubs regarding overseas and federation trained players?
You could have the odd situation where they singed a whole rake of NRL players who could play for them in Canada but be prevented from playing in the UK/France.
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Post by JJR on Sept 13, 2017 18:15:07 GMT
Even worse when they get in SL and they receive massive sponsorship and then the USA gets on the bandwagon, where are all the best UK players going Auss, France, Canada on USA?
I always thought it better to invest in a Cumbria team rather than Canada. So when London and Toulouse get back in SL with Toronto and Catalan just think of the away fixtures and look at the away support from them.
Start RL in their countries but not in our leagues.
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Post by bandgeekmafia78 on Sept 13, 2017 18:24:05 GMT
Even worse when they get in SL and they receive massive sponsorship and then the USA gets on the bandwagon, where are all the best UK players going Auss, France, Canada on USA? I always thought it better to invest in a Cumbria team rather than Canada. So when London and Toulouse get back in SL with Toronto and Catalan just think of the away fixtures and look at the away support from them. Start RL in their countries but not in our leagues. I think the RFL have neglected the Cumbrian sides in favour of the French teams and Toronto. It makes sense to invest in Cumbria and spread rugby league from the M62 corridor but for some reason they haven't managed to achieve this. Not sure whether this is down to RFL apathy or a lack of interest in the area.
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Post by JJR on Sept 13, 2017 19:39:26 GMT
We have a fat RL boss who likes the limelight, travelling abroad and rugby union. Interested in himself and his wallet as far as I can see.
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Post by kreuzberg999 on Sept 13, 2017 19:57:17 GMT
Even worse when they get in SL and they receive massive sponsorship and then the USA gets on the bandwagon, where are all the best UK players going Auss, France, Canada on USA? I always thought it better to invest in a Cumbria team rather than Canada. So when London and Toulouse get back in SL with Toronto and Catalan just think of the away fixtures and look at the away support from them. Start RL in their countries but not in our leagues. I think the RFL have neglected the Cumbrian sides in favour of the French teams and Toronto. It makes sense to invest in Cumbria and spread rugby league from the M62 corridor but for some reason they haven't managed to achieve this. Not sure whether this is down to RFL apathy or a lack of interest in the area. The Cumbria subject is raised regularly around RL But you ask any Cumbrian RL supporter. There not willing to travel from Whitehaven to Barrow or Workington or Vice Versa , Unfortunately A very Parochial attitude still prevails in parts of Cumbria.
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Post by JJR on Sept 13, 2017 20:04:47 GMT
I'm not sure if you've asked all Cumbrians but it's a hotbed of RL and investment and sponsorship into a top class stadium would give them something to concentrate on with the present clubs as feeders. A little more RL here than London and maybe even Salford.
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Post by russ on Sept 13, 2017 20:37:49 GMT
" ...but the game will always stagnate whilst it's seen as a northern sport."
https://www.reddit.com/r/superleague/comments/6z5dii/where_do_we_go_from_here_my_thoughts_on_how_sl/
Just a thought!
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Post by bonitared on Sept 13, 2017 21:47:53 GMT
I'm not sure if you've asked all Cumbrians but it's a hotbed of RL and investment and sponsorship into a top class stadium would give them something to concentrate on with the present clubs as feeders. A little more RL here than London and maybe even Salford. I've always been very sceptical about the whole Toronto project but I just don't go with the 'what about our heartland' argument. Cumbria is a hotbed but I'm sure support is there for worthy projects. The RFL cannot be insular and attempts to thrive outside the traditional areas are a must
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Post by Carnster on Sept 14, 2017 6:29:13 GMT
I think the RFL have neglected the Cumbrian sides in favour of the French teams and Toronto. It makes sense to invest in Cumbria and spread rugby league from the M62 corridor but for some reason they haven't managed to achieve this. Not sure whether this is down to RFL apathy or a lack of interest in the area. The Cumbria subject is raised regularly around RL But you ask any Cumbrian RL supporter. There not willing to travel from Whitehaven to Barrow or Workington or Vice Versa , Unfortunately A very Parochial attitude still prevails in parts of Cumbria. I Spent four months in Cumbria training for my job a a few years ago. While a hotbed of RL, your assessment is spot on. The RFL would love a Cumbria side, they just can't set aside their personal allegiances and have a single Cumbrian side. Nobody would merge with anyone else for fear of 'identity' and a completely new club was rejected because it 'may make local clubs obsolete'. A shame, because there's a lot of talent up there.
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Post by dixon13 on Sept 14, 2017 9:13:39 GMT
I think the RFL have neglected the Cumbrian sides in favour of the French teams and Toronto. It makes sense to invest in Cumbria and spread rugby league from the M62 corridor but for some reason they haven't managed to achieve this. Not sure whether this is down to RFL apathy or a lack of interest in the area. The Cumbria subject is raised regularly around RL But you ask any Cumbrian RL supporter. There not willing to travel from Whitehaven to Barrow or Workington or Vice Versa , Unfortunately A very Parochial attitude still prevails in parts of Cumbria. Understandable,we didn't want to mearg with Oldham when Maurice suggested it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 9:22:02 GMT
I worked up in Cumbria my self for a while and if there were 2 teams 1 mile apart unless they played each other they would both ignore the other.
Possibly the only way you'd get a decent following in Cumbria would be if you had 2 SL teams a North and South team to get the passions flowing, know enough from my time there that the claret would flow just as much in the stands as on the field.
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Post by giasf on Sept 14, 2017 10:07:51 GMT
Since we seem to be digressing somewhat...
British Rugby League needs to decide what it wants to be at the highest level, and then plan from there. At this minute we have an existential crisis resulting from the age old argument between the flat-cap brigade and the expansionists. This leads to the level of inertia and half-arsed schemes that the sport in the UK currently presents with.
Cumbria is a great example of this: because the sport doesn't know which direction it wants to go in there is no clear plan on how to capitalise on the relatively high level of interest in our sport in that region. So instead we currently have three semi-professional teams which are on their arse, with no prospect of that changing any time soon.
Does the sport want to strengthen its existing base, and bring back lapsed fans - in which case the RFL should be trying to figure out how they re-envigorate the three existing team - or does the sport want to take a more progressive modernist approach which probably calls for a long-term investment in a "Cumbria" team.
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Post by bonitared on Sept 14, 2017 10:47:15 GMT
Existentialism is not a subject I expected to be discussed on here,but I take your point. It seems that those who've spent some time in Cumbria feel that further development is futile because of the lack of appetite to merging clubs. The game must attempt to widen its borders and even if that ultimately fails,the alternative is to decay. Last year,I went to Batley for the play off game. It was like a breath of fresh air. A classic community club with no need of RFL input. Maybe the Cumbrian clubs are the same. Back on topic,I think the RFL are doing well **with Toronto and Toulouse
**never thought I'd ever say that
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Post by Carnster on Sept 14, 2017 11:03:51 GMT
Since we seem to be digressing somewhat... British Rugby League needs to decide what it wants to be at the highest level, and then plan from there. At this minute we have an existential crisis resulting from the age old argument between the flat-cap brigade and the expansionists. This leads to the level of inertia and half-arsed schemes that the sport in the UK currently presents with. Cumbria is a great example of this: because the sport doesn't know which direction it wants to go in there is no clear plan on how to capitalise on the relatively high level of interest in our sport in that region. So instead we currently have three semi-professional teams which are on their arse, with no prospect of that changing any time soon. Does the sport want to strengthen its existing base, and bring back lapsed fans - in which case the RFL should be trying to figure out how they re-envigorate the three existing team - or does the sport want to take a more progressive modernist approach which probably calls for a long-term investment in a "Cumbria" team. The sport has to move on regardless of how painful. We are tied to our past much deeper than a lot of other sports and while it is something we should be proud of and celebrate, we also need to know when to abandon the past to memory and move forward. Nostalgia and its parochial nature are all well and good if the sport wants to be left to fade away, as society and sport move on. The NRL faced a similar existential question many years ago when the sport was dying on its ass and they dragged it, kicking and screaming, into what it is today. Of course, the advantage that they have is that their roots are not the same as British RL and people were not as tied to them as we are. Our sport, and the fans and people who work and play for clubs will need to accept change in the future, or face a bleak outlook. It's happened in the past. People were upset when rules are changed, when grounds are changed, when seasons are changed. No matter how drastic the change, life goes on and those outraged or upset fade into the past fairly quickly. Nobody likes change but when it happens it doesn't take long for the change to become the status quo. Cumbria needs to take the plunge and risk the ire of those who hold onto the way things have always been done. To tradition, and heritage, like change somehow wipes it from history. It doesn't, it just consigns it to memory as they face the future. Alas, I fear that Cumbrians are happy with their lot in RL and may prefer the oblivion of part-time clubs, local rivalry, and accepting that their brightest and best will disappear to Lancashire and Yorkshire. The game is ingrained in their upbringing to a point where change is simply heresy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2017 11:55:16 GMT
Was talking to a friend at the game on Saturday and mentioned the reports of a NY based consortium being interested in a franchise and something came to me.
Now I know this will never happen because it would mean that the RFL would need to use it's brains and plan ahead.
Toronto already play in blocks of 4 home and away and they would need to do the same with NY, then each team plays both NY & Toronto away one after the other, you play NY 1 weekend and then Toronto the next and make a trip of it, that way you'd be much more likely to actually travel rather than for just 1 game (I know I would in a heartbeat got for both games).
As I say though that would require common sense and as we all know that is verboten in RL.
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