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Post by kreuzbergred on Oct 3, 2023 20:15:01 GMT
Rugby-league will be losing a lot of central funding from Sport England, I believe, because attendances have fallen in Rugby-league as a whole, Another team from a small geographical area isn't going to help attendances apart from a local derby, And the Featherstone supporters how many times has aggro happened when they play and lets not forget some of their fans casual racism that seems to be put down to banter in those parts, And the owner, Will he even be out of prison to watch them in 2024. For me, a away game is about the overall experience off the pitch as well as i the pitch, and Featherstone gets a zero for that. I see you've done a swift side step from the issue of sponsorship after I put you straight about that. Yes, Fev do have a problem with a section of their supporters, as do a number of clubs - indeed, I have spoken to some friends who are Hull KR fans and from their descriptions the behaviour of some Salford fans at the game at Hull KR last month was far worse than anything that's been seen at Featherstone this year. But back to your original point - you don't want Featherstone in SL because you want teams with bigger attendances, but you do want London, who are attracting about 500-600 to their home games? Not while they were in the Superleague. |
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Post by lordlucan on Oct 3, 2023 20:28:48 GMT
I see you've done a swift side step from the issue of sponsorship after I put you straight about that. Yes, Fev do have a problem with a section of their supporters, as do a number of clubs - indeed, I have spoken to some friends who are Hull KR fans and from their descriptions the behaviour of some Salford fans at the game at Hull KR last month was far worse than anything that's been seen at Featherstone this year. But back to your original point - you don't want Featherstone in SL because you want teams with bigger attendances, but you do want London, who are attracting about 500-600 to their home games? I do not have knowledge of every Championship clubs sponsorship finances, nor would I want to. You seem to not see the big picture Rugby-league in the UK. Is crying out for a Superleague team in London, London, Broncos had more media coverage in their one season outside of the North of England, Than having yet another Superleague team within a 15 minute's drive of another, It just confirms what a lot of what people outside of rugby-league and people who used to watch regularly believe is too Parochial Apart from Catalan Dragons, can ever compete for more money and media coverage. Featherstone may have lots of local companies putting in money, but Will these organisations still stick with them in 2025 ,when they are back playing in the Championship .I doubt it. You might like the fantasy idea of a Superleague team in London, but the reality is they have hardly any fans, hardly any sponsorship, and have limped haplessly from ground to ground over the last few years without any sense of direction; they have been a club in regression for many years. And your point about "will companies stick with Featherstone when they are back playing in the Championship", that's my point, they have put some SL clubs to shade with the sponsorship they have attracted whilst already in the Championship! With so many clubs struggling financially it's bizarre to be knocking one of the few that has managed to develop into a self-sustaining outfit. |
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Post by lordlucan on Oct 3, 2023 20:31:56 GMT
I see you've done a swift side step from the issue of sponsorship after I put you straight about that. Yes, Fev do have a problem with a section of their supporters, as do a number of clubs - indeed, I have spoken to some friends who are Hull KR fans and from their descriptions the behaviour of some Salford fans at the game at Hull KR last month was far worse than anything that's been seen at Featherstone this year. But back to your original point - you don't want Featherstone in SL because you want teams with bigger attendances, but you do want London, who are attracting about 500-600 to their home games? Not while they were in the Superleague. Their average home attendance was 2,021 the last time they were in SL. And they have alienated a lot more followers since then because of how abjectly they have been run off the field. You want bigger crowds in SL, so that should absolutely rule out London. |
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Post by kreuzbergred on Oct 3, 2023 20:34:15 GMT
I do not have knowledge of every Championship clubs sponsorship finances, nor would I want to. You seem to not see the big picture Rugby-league in the UK. Is crying out for a Superleague team in London, London, Broncos had more media coverage in their one season outside of the North of England, Than having yet another Superleague team within a 15 minute's drive of another, It just confirms what a lot of what people outside of rugby-league and people who used to watch regularly believe is too Parochial Apart from Catalan Dragons, can ever compete for more money and media coverage. Featherstone may have lots of local companies putting in money, but Will these organisations still stick with them in 2025 ,when they are back playing in the Championship .I doubt it. You might like the fantasy idea of a Superleague team in London, but the reality is they have hardly any fans, hardly any sponsorship, and have limped haplessly from ground to ground over the last few years without any sense of direction; they have been a club in regression for many years. And your point about "will companies stick with Featherstone when they are back playing in the Championship", that's my point, they have put some SL clubs to shade with the sponsorship they have attracted whilst already in the Championship! With so many clubs struggling financially it's bizarre to be knocking one of the few that has managed to develop into a self-sustaining outfit. They moved into a new stadium less than a few years ago, They were in a fairly decent stadium that was still 100% better than Wakefield, and no flooding issues as in Post office road, They played at Rossyln park during lockdowns My final words are ,remember, when London went to play against Toronto Wolfpack in Canada, nobody gave them A chance?. Dont bank on being in Superleague in 2024. |
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Post by john964 on Oct 3, 2023 21:26:36 GMT
Seems to me board are doing all they can to stay afloat, just unfortunate the best run club financially still makes a large loss. Is that symptonmatic of where RL is? Seems it's value has dropped since some clubs took control thinking they could do better, if I was sceptical I would think IMG being used as a scapgoat for when it really hits the fan, but I am to cynically for that! Lots of finger pointing and abuse won't help, but if I was to start I would be pointing at central funding, and overall governance of game not out board. Further compounded by stadium issue becoming political football, and sounds like delaying match funding. Really need that match funding asap,
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Post by giasf on Oct 3, 2023 22:19:10 GMT
Think the email was an attempt to be transparent, but was badly put together and has ended up causing more problems than it will solve. You can’t talk clearly about money we’ve lost without explaining clearly what has happened to the considerable sums of money that have gone in this season. I don’t think anything nefarious has happened but RL fans will tend to fill any gap — real or perceived — with conspiracies and bullshit.
Easy to see how SL could be headed down the same path as the RU top flight, and we could easily have a 10 team SL. IMG and the RFL need to get their **** together, rapidly.
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Post by BDD on Oct 3, 2023 22:52:10 GMT
RL isn't a sustainable sport and most teams are an owner walking away from going bust. It's a ridiculous situation to be in and the sport shouldn't be run in this way but the issue is that owners are the ones making the decisions. Decisions aren't made for the betterment of the sport, owners make decisions on what's best for them and their club and while they're willing to lose money each season. Like the salary cap changes year on year that do nothing but prevent it from achieving its main objective. The guise of often, it's to prevent the best players leaving, but it doesn't and never has. We already have two marquee sports and multiple dispensations. Plus, isn't actually better for the game and better internationally if our younger players do go over to Oz? We've had success with forwards over there and match them on he pitch. It's in the backs where we are well behind. The more we have over there the better internationally for England and GB.
Also, unfortunately, given the state of the sport, attracting investment via sponsorship can't be an easy thing (look at some of the central deals). We have a narrow market that's small and has little international footprint. We get few column inches and our players are not know nationally. The most famous RL players are still older ones like Hanley, Offiah, and Farrell. We're just not very marketable which is crazy given the product we have. I just don't think we have the right skills at the top in RL (or enough power over club owners).
The sport needs a massive (probably radical) overhaul (IMG haven't got close yet) and it needs to be sustainable and plan within its means and not on the basis of people throwing money into clubs and running at large losses. Club owners shouldn't be making the strategic decisions especially without better oversight.
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Post by lhred on Oct 4, 2023 12:56:58 GMT
Does anyone feel as shareholders in the club the board should call a meeting for the fans to really explain the situation?I know we had the email but surely we have the right to some face to face answers or am I being over dramatic?it looks certain Croft is going and it’s looking like 200 thousand from reports!surely after all the hard work as fans we deserve a face to face with the board
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Post by mauricethered on Oct 4, 2023 13:20:01 GMT
No it is business to be honest LH Red. We have been hit with a 300k deficit last week by RL Commercial who have cut all central funding to clubs. If your house was on the line and you had a cash asset, a car you'd sell it. The biggest frustration for me is the 22% missing on food and drink sales - that is someone's responsibility to make it happen. The stadium situation has not helped with that wanka Garrido holding up progress which means we cannot obtain matched funding. It is a bump in the road and we have a whole 4-5 months to get a replacement.
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Post by cmillward20 on Oct 4, 2023 13:22:20 GMT
No it is business to be honest LH Red. We have been hit with a 300k deficit last week by RL Commercial who have cut all central funding to clubs. If your house was on the line and you had a cash asset, a car you'd sell it. The biggest frustration for me is the 22% missing on food and drink sales - that is someone's responsibility to make it happen. The stadium situation has not helped with that wanka Garrido holding up progress which means we cannot obtain matched funding. It is a bump in the road and we have a whole 4-5 months to get a replacement. What makes you think we will get a replacement? We have no money we’re selling Croft to keep us going doesn’t look like this 300k from Leeds will be used for players?? |
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Post by mauricethered on Oct 4, 2023 13:22:24 GMT
If we get 300k for Croft that fantastic in a Sport that has no transfers. As for Paul King he's done enough in terms of Personal Guarantees during his time at Salford. If fans cannot understand we have to make ends meet then they need to educate themselves as to why.
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Post by mauricethered on Oct 4, 2023 13:23:45 GMT
No it is business to be honest LH Red. We have been hit with a 300k deficit last week by RL Commercial who have cut all central funding to clubs. If your house was on the line and you had a cash asset, a car you'd sell it. The biggest frustration for me is the 22% missing on food and drink sales - that is someone's responsibility to make it happen. The stadium situation has not helped with that wanka Garrido holding up progress which means we cannot obtain matched funding. It is a bump in the road and we have a whole 4-5 months to get a replacement. What makes you think we will get a replacement? We have no money we’re selling Croft to keep us going doesn’t look like this 300k from Leeds will be used for players?? We get a 6 that costs less than 300k. Because 300k fills the deficit in terms of central funding and as a marquee Croft is on at least 300k per year. We are 600k from year 1 better off. |
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Post by cmillward20 on Oct 4, 2023 13:26:27 GMT
What makes you think we will get a replacement? We have no money we’re selling Croft to keep us going doesn’t look like this 300k from Leeds will be used for players?? We get a 6 that costs less than 300k. Because 300k fills the deficit in terms of central funding and as a marquee Croft is on at least 300k per year. We are 600k from year 1 better off. We have to do what we have to do but at this point in the year can’t see us getting a decent replacement. Might be the cause of trying to stay up next year and hopefully getting someone decent for the year after. Or some reserve half down under doing something stupid |
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Post by mauricethered on Oct 4, 2023 13:29:58 GMT
Because 300k fills the deficit in terms of central funding and as a marquee Croft is on at least 300k per year. We are 600k from year 1 better off. We have to do what we have to do but at this point in the year can’t see us getting a decent replacement. Might be the cause of trying to stay up next year and hopefully getting someone decent for the year after. Or some reserve half down under doing something stupid Look at the Penrith youngster who smashed it on Sunday. There is loads of talent out there we do not need Austin or Cust. The Rowley lovers on here need to back his judgement and Blease. To be fair this season Croft has been found out somehwat as has our attack, you never know a change of personnel might be for the best. We have signed players lets see who they are and where the gaps are. |
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Post by cmillward20 on Oct 4, 2023 13:30:59 GMT
We have to do what we have to do but at this point in the year can’t see us getting a decent replacement. Might be the cause of trying to stay up next year and hopefully getting someone decent for the year after. Or some reserve half down under doing something stupid Look at the Penrith youngster who smashed it on Sunday. There is loads of talent out there we do not need Austin or Cust. The Rowley lovers on here need to back his judgement and Blease. To be fair this season Croft has been found out as has our attack, you never know a change of personnel might be for the best. Hope your right pal but I just can’t see it |
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