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Post by redunderthebed on Nov 15, 2022 11:47:52 GMT
I think the reaction to the loss has been way over the top. The fact is that team created enough chances to win by 3 or 4 tries but they didn’t take them. A bad defensive read and an interception try cost us the game. A number of individuals didn’t play as well as they could in that game. we had our first choice prop, centres and scrum half not playing any of the tournament due to injury. And we still only lost by a point to a very good team. I’m not the biggest fan of Wane but the reaction from many is overly fuelled by anti-Wigan sentiment which is typical rugby league
Also typical rugby league is the criticism of showing ambition. Only in RL will people complain about turning up on the day of a World Cup semi final and being upset the tickets are a bit pricey. Likewise tickets for the World Cup final being costly. RL needs to make its WC a prestigious and sought after event and this one has set that bar
RL fans: ‘this is The Greatest Game’
Also RL fans: ‘why should I pay more than a tenner to sit on the half way line of a World Cup game’
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Post by bigkeev on Nov 15, 2022 12:09:01 GMT
I think the reaction to the loss has been way over the top. The fact is that team created enough chances to win by 3 or 4 tries but they didn’t take them. A bad defensive read and an interception try cost us the game. A number of individuals didn’t play as well as they could in that game. we had our first choice prop, centres and scrum half not playing any of the tournament due to injury. And we still only lost by a point to a very good team. I’m not the biggest fan of Wane but the reaction from many is overly fuelled by anti-Wigan sentiment which is typical rugby league Also typical rugby league is the criticism of showing ambition. Only in RL will people complain about turning up on the day of a World Cup semi final and being upset the tickets are a bit pricey. Likewise tickets for the World Cup final being costly. RL needs to make its WC a prestigious and sought after event and this one has set that bar RL fans: ‘this is The Greatest Game’ Also RL fans: ‘why should I pay more than a tenner to sit on the half way line of a World Cup game’ Absolutely this. |
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Post by SalfordSlim on Nov 15, 2022 13:23:19 GMT
I think the reaction to the loss has been way over the top. The fact is that team created enough chances to win by 3 or 4 tries but they didn’t take them. A bad defensive read and an interception try cost us the game. A number of individuals didn’t play as well as they could in that game. we had our first choice prop, centres and scrum half not playing any of the tournament due to injury. And we still only lost by a point to a very good team. I’m not the biggest fan of Wane but the reaction from many is overly fuelled by anti-Wigan sentiment which is typical rugby league Also typical rugby league is the criticism of showing ambition. Only in RL will people complain about turning up on the day of a World Cup semi final and being upset the tickets are a bit pricey. Likewise tickets for the World Cup final being costly. RL needs to make its WC a prestigious and sought after event and this one has set that bar RL fans: ‘this is The Greatest Game’ Also RL fans: ‘why should I pay more than a tenner to sit on the half way line of a World Cup game’ Agree 100% with pretty much all of this. Wane definitely got a couple of calls badly wrong though in his spine choices. It only screams of Anti-Wigan sentiment because he picked Tomkins/MM purely on the fact they were his Wigan players. Let's face it, if these guys had no Wigan connection and were past their best they wouldn't have been picked. He wanted MM for his defence as he offers nothing else. Radley could've started at 9 and then Ackers (or Leeming if picked) could've exploited the ruck later on in the game. Welsby should've played at FB as he's not a half. Shoe-horning a woefully past-it Tomkins (who WAS a fine player) meant playing YJW out of position and not playing probably the form #7 in SL... who also happens to have the best kicking game in the country. Anyway, it's done. By no means the end of the world but a big opportunity missed I think. Interesting to see what 2025 might bring with regards personnel changes as you'd expect over half that squad will either be retired or way past being considered for international selection. |
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Post by redunderthebed on Nov 15, 2022 16:03:43 GMT
Can’t argue with much of that SS
There are definitely choices I would have made differently. I would have had Ackers on the bench on Saturday. I would have had Leeming in the squad too. I thought in all games Samoa looked vulnerable around the ruck. In the first game Tomkins, Welsby and Williams exploited that with quick play the balls. Maybe Samoa slowed the ruck down more successfully on Saturday but I would have had a running hooker to shake things up a bit
Being honest I am not sure Ackers made the best calls with his running from dunmy half in the games he played. That is partly a laying style thing. Ackers most successful when there are dummy runners going with him which is more Rowley than Wane. I think he would have picked in defence as much as MMc was by their big units
I don’t mind Welsby at HB, he did a lot of the less obvious stuff (shipping the ball on) in the last 2 games. I can see why Wane went with Tomkins at FB for his experience and leadership.
So I guess what I’m saying is that there are other calls that could have been made but I don’t think they won/lost the game. It’s very frustrating.
Last 3 world cups England have lost 2 semi finals, one in last second and one in ET and been within an ankle tap and a pass or too of winning the other. Saturdays felt like we deserved to lose more on the day than the losses in the last two. We are very close
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Post by JJR on Nov 17, 2022 8:42:40 GMT
Kendall video ref in the Final🤣
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Post by russ on Nov 17, 2022 9:02:42 GMT
Last 3 world cups England have lost 2 semi finals, one in last second and one in ET and been within an ankle tap and a pass or too of winning the other. Saturdays felt like we deserved to lose more on the day than the losses in the last two. We are very close Couldn't agree more with this point RUTB
Wilkin as a pundit went into uberdrive over the loss; the problem with being a pundit of course is having to have something to say and being different from other pundits. More often than not this can make you sound either overemotional or simply stupid.
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Post by JJR on Nov 17, 2022 9:31:04 GMT
Let’s face it we had a good few in that team well past their international best
Hall, Cooper, Tomkins, Mcillorum, even Watkins as a centre…and in the semi we had no leader, which really showed in the naivety for the Golden Point
Be interesting to see the team against France in April
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Post by dentonred on Nov 17, 2022 9:59:10 GMT
Any teams now should be built around the younger players available. Like of:
Welsby
Pryce
Young
Newman
Farnworth
Dodd
Smith
Lees
Oledzki
Cator
Smithies
If we put in some established players on the right side of 30 in there then we could be building in the direction.
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Post by dixon13 on Nov 17, 2022 10:31:41 GMT
Come on is anyone really surprised we haven't won since the seventies,why was it going to be different this time.
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Post by russ on Nov 17, 2022 12:04:43 GMT
Come on is anyone really surprised we haven't won since the seventies,why was it going to be different this time. I don't think surprised has much to do with either way dixon.
We may have been a bit surprised by how poorly they played going into this game. No one was taken aback that even then they nearly pulled it off towards the end.
Losing to drop and an interception is nothing to measure how well you did by.
You can't help but get the feeling that if we'd won the journalism and punditry would've painted a different picture.
We didn't lose to a second tier nation as some have said.
Offiah has said the stars should all go to the NRL to give us a fighting chance but by the time that had enough effect and internationals had a regular calendar everyone would have given up watching because the quality would be poor and those playing here wouldn't be develped by being against challenging opposition.
There's alot of lazy solutions flying around and very little observation of those positives that were there for anyone to see.
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Post by dixon13 on Nov 17, 2022 12:50:44 GMT
Come on is anyone really surprised we haven't won since the seventies,why was it going to be different this time. I don't think surprised has much to do with either way dixon.
We may have been a bit surprised by how poorly they played going into this game. No one was taken aback that even then they nearly pulled it off towards the end.
Losing to drop and an interception is nothing to measure how well you did by.
You can't help but get the feeling that if we'd won the journalism and punditry would've painted a different picture.
We didn't lose to a second tier nation as some have said.
Offiah has said the stars should all go to the NRL to give us a fighting chance but by the time that had enough effect and internationals had a regular calendar everyone would have given up watching because the quality would be poor and those playing here wouldn't be develped by being against challenging opposition.
There's alot of lazy solutions flying around and very little observation of those positives that were there for anyone to see.
Russ I will try to think of the posotives while having a pint tonight,I might see clearer then🤔 |
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Post by russ on Nov 17, 2022 14:32:49 GMT
I don't think surprised has much to do with either way dixon.
We may have been a bit surprised by how poorly they played going into this game. No one was taken aback that even then they nearly pulled it off towards the end.
Losing to drop and an interception is nothing to measure how well you did by.
You can't help but get the feeling that if we'd won the journalism and punditry would've painted a different picture.
We didn't lose to a second tier nation as some have said.
Offiah has said the stars should all go to the NRL to give us a fighting chance but by the time that had enough effect and internationals had a regular calendar everyone would have given up watching because the quality would be poor and those playing here wouldn't be develped by being against challenging opposition.
There's alot of lazy solutions flying around and very little observation of those positives that were there for anyone to see.
Russ I will try to think of the posotives while having a pint tonight,I might see clearer then🤔 There were plenty. Although there was no plan B (coaching) they did come back into the game after playing poorly. They created plenty of chances. All againt top NRL opposition.
You can enjoy your pint more easily, now you know that.
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Post by dixon13 on Nov 17, 2022 14:49:10 GMT
Russ I will try to think of the posotives while having a pint tonight,I might see clearer then🤔 There were
plenty. Although there was no
plan B (coaching) they did come back into the game after playing poorly. They created plenty of chances. All againt top NRL opposition.
You can enjoy your pint more easily, now you know that.
Russ I will certainly enjoy the Black and Tan tonight. |
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Post by SalfordSlim on Nov 17, 2022 17:02:01 GMT
Any teams now should be built around the younger players available. Like of: Welsby Pryce Young Newman Farnworth Dodd Smith Lees Oledzki Cator Smithies If we put in some established players on the right side of 30 in there then we could be building in the direction. Can someone more knowledgeable than me enlighten me as to what I'm missing with Smithies? You've listed some cracking players there DR but I've never quite got it with him. He just seems like a gobby little sh*te who doesn't have the game to back it up. I'm hoping Tyler Dupree might be one of the next generation. Showed loads of promise last year and with a full pre-season under Rowley I think he could be huge for us this year. |
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Post by JJR on Nov 17, 2022 21:22:09 GMT
Welsby
Young
Farnworth
Percival
Makinson
Lomax
Williams capt
Burgess
Radley
Walmsley
Whitehead
Mcmeeken
Knowles
Leeming, Oledzski, Thomson, Lees
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