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Post by mauricethered on Nov 12, 2022 20:58:11 GMT
I feel it's only right to question team selection and coaching and England were far better when they found a minimal kicking game. Imagine if they'd had a real one.
No opinion is rubbish just not what you agree with.
I also think England were simply trying too hard and all too aware of the importance of the game which is never a good recipe for success.
Ahhh ..... 'Russ' the opinionated patron who "was not going to follow / watch the World Cup". I don't think many believe any you say anymore sunshine x That was a shambles today from a complacent coach who did not see past the vanity of the whitewash win four weeks ago in Newcastle by picking the same team. Jim if you believe Wane selected the best team that is your prerogative. I see a coach who selects players well past their best he favours. Do I believe a spine of Welsby, Williams, Syned and Ackers is a better option yes based on last season. How on earth Oledski is benched over Hill and Cooper is beyond me. But hey that's my opinion, for me Wane needs to focus on Wigan not the national team. |
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Post by russ on Nov 12, 2022 21:04:12 GMT
I feel it's only right to question team selection and coaching and England were far better when they found a minimal kicking game. Imagine if they'd had a real one.
No opinion is rubbish just not what you agree with.
I also think England were simply trying too hard and all too aware of the importance of the game which is never a good recipe for success.
Ahhh ..... 'Russ' the opinionated patron who "was not going to follow / watch the World Cup". I don't think many believe any you say anymore sunshine x Ah Jimmy when people don't believe you that's fine, it's not compulsory.
Only watched two WC matches (refs made me sorry I did) but All the Wheelchair, Womens' and PDRL ones.
I did think you were an SRD fan, was I wrong?
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Post by russ on Nov 12, 2022 21:08:42 GMT
Ahhh ..... 'Russ' the opinionated patron who "was not going to follow / watch the World Cup". I don't think many believe any you say anymore sunshine x That was a shambles today from a complacent coach who did not see past the vanity of the whitewash win four weeks ago in Newcastle by picking the same team. Jim if you believe Wane selected the best team that is your prerogative. I see a coach who selects players well past their best he favours. Do I believe a spine of Welsby, Williams, Syned and Ackers is a better option yes based on last season. How on earth Oledski is benched over Hill and Cooper is beyond me. But hey that's my opinion, for me Wane needs to focus on Wigan not the national team. They did seem lost for much of the match and Welsby looked poor but Williams has been a shining light for both the matches I saw.
The good news about England losing is most of our lads can come back for training with the real thing sooner rather than later.
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Post by Jim Jalfrezi on Nov 12, 2022 21:09:25 GMT
I have been for over 50 years. Not sure what that's got to do with anything Russ  |
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Post by JJR on Nov 12, 2022 21:48:19 GMT
Wane picked a team ready for 2018 and Welsby is a full back and never a stand off. The plan was to stop their pack which they did but I’ve never seen a team so disjointed apart from Williams in attack
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Post by JJR on Nov 12, 2022 22:21:11 GMT
One of the things that baffles me is why at full time, Wane didn’t go down settle the team and give simple instructions as to stress how to play for the one point
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Post by russ on Nov 13, 2022 8:59:07 GMT
One of the things that baffles me is why at full time, Wane didn’t go down settle the team and give simple instructions as to stress how to play for the one point Because he's not Rowley?
Phil Gould sees himself as vindicated by the Samoa result but that's just another piece of Oz avoiding the the facts and only using the result to measure everyone.
England had a bad day and still only just lost by a golden point.
On Wane I don't have an opinion but the wife said at the start of the tournament that she was sorry he was in charge because she'd never rated him as a coach. Yesterday she just said, at the end of the match, well done Somoa you played better for most of that game.
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Post by russ on Nov 13, 2022 9:17:03 GMT
JJR Oz refs have proved just as fallible as any others and pundits are people who get paid for being Ritz and Jacob most of the year. All the pundits ex players and Wane must be wrong then, they’ve said the reffing in the semis was brilliant. If you prefer Kendall et al to Oz refs I’m amazed but with them the There is alot of agreement among pundits etc that's true.
I think if you look at the interpretation in Oz by their refs it favours Aussie style. At times I was left wondering why 6 again was the decision and more.
The idea that the Aussies do it better as refs is based more on the superiority of their competition and annoyance we feel week in week out with the familiar usual suspects of SL. When I watch the NRL I sometimes wonder what they have to do to be penalised and the the incident in the game where he ran at Tomkins was one of those. The pundits called it good reffing, Mmmmmmmm!
It is also true that pundits etc as a whole are never going to as emotional about refs and reffing as fans. They are also much better at not pointing out things on the Beeb than on Sky and don't "review" the decisions as repeatedly.
Letting the game flow so favoured by Phil Gould and others means essentially ignoring lots of rules and decisions.
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Post by JJR on Nov 13, 2022 9:34:13 GMT
Six again mate, not a clue at times.
Yes it’s about balance, we have picky refs who penalise little errors esp at the ptb (possibly cost us the Challenge Cup with the Pauli incident) but miss some of the bigger stuff
Oz refs accept a bit of infringement at the ptb and tell them to get in with it but often get the big things right. Also stops teams playing for penalties at the ptb
The Oz refs just seem much more professional, our refs esp Kendall seem to hype. That wrong try decision as video ref inexcusable….everything in a rush got it wrong. The video ref yesterday took time to get everything right
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Post by russ on Nov 13, 2022 10:03:17 GMT
Six again mate, not a clue at times. Yes it’s about balance, we have picky refs who penalise little errors esp at the ptb (possibly cost us the Challenge Cup with the Pauli incident) but miss some of the bigger stuff Oz refs accept a bit of infringement at the ptb and tell them to get in with it but often get the big things right. Also stops teams playing for penalties at the ptb The Oz refs just seem much more professional, our refs esp Kendall seem to hype. That wrong try decision as video ref inexcusable….everything in a rush got it wrong. The video ref yesterday took time to get everything right There was one moment where everyone cleared the ruck with little problem and in no time at all but then the AHB jestured with two hands up in the air and 6 again was given.
We do have refs who apply the rules and that makes them more often right than wrong though it doesn't help the game flow.
The decision time is an interesting one, can seem interminable and "I've now seen all the possible angles!" might become a phrase for headstones like "It's better than playing Philadelphia!"
I also think a lot of Aussies might disagree with your assessment of the ratio of big and small decisions.
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Post by russ on Nov 13, 2022 11:55:05 GMT
Les Blues v the Roos really looking forward to this one!
More evidence that all the best anthems were obvious taken in prehistory so we ended up with ours.
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Post by chief on Nov 13, 2022 12:19:51 GMT
Bragging rights to Tim when they come back to training.
Hope Callum not hurt. Didn’t have his best game.
Thought the occasion maybe got to Welsby. Like him as a player but he looked completely lost yesterday.
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Post by russ on Nov 13, 2022 14:08:36 GMT
Bragging rights to Tim when they come back to training. Hope Callum not hurt. Didn’t have his best game. Thought the occasion maybe got to Welsby. Like him as a player but he looked completely lost yesterday. Callum had a couple of moments which hardly compare with a no show by others.
Made up for Tim and Hands off Wigan, Bog off!
Those French Wheelchair athletes are tremendous, aren't they?
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Post by dixon13 on Nov 13, 2022 14:42:12 GMT
They nearly got the final they wanted,then the real Samoa turned up.
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Post by john964 on Nov 13, 2022 16:19:48 GMT
They nearly got the final they wanted,then the real Samoa turned up. Either way, I still can't get it that two teams from same group meet in semi, surely they should have been in different semis, even if they meet again in final,I could understand that. |
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