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Post by redunderthebed on Jun 6, 2022 14:19:26 GMT
Sadly that’s us, few good displays then when it gets bad no competition for places. The fact is we’re a team fighting for survival each year with few resources; a breeding ground for other clubs, and we have to sell our best players, or unable to retain them to keep going. Let’s hope the Seb G bid happens but the Club and City need to fully get behind him. Not doom and gloom, just the position as its materialised since Marwans money left, unfortunately. Ah yes the good old days under moneybags Marwan when we were competing at the top of the table every year. Except of course we weren’t. We finished bottom once, second bottom twice, in the bottom four twice and 4th once. Plus we came within 90 seconds of relegation had more fines and points deductions than any other time in our history, lost our tier 1 academy and second team and nearly lost our name and ground. Great days |
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Post by JJR on Jun 6, 2022 14:19:58 GMT
Think he just got the plan wrong yesterday Carnster; bad pitch, bad weather…as Murph said, you only play rugby in their 25
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Post by JJR on Jun 6, 2022 15:35:45 GMT
And of course Marwan installed Blease and Watson after he’d stopped the Club going out of existence; then bought JH to help….he got his process wrong and was naive but the fact we’re talking about the Club now is largely due to him.
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Post by redunderthebed on Jun 6, 2022 16:56:00 GMT
Yes he did stop the club from disappearing for which I’ll be forever grateful. But that’s not the point you were making was it JJR?
You said that we are a club who can’t retain players or compete since Marwan left. I was merely pointing out that our position was no better under MK than it is now in terms of team performance. Many would argue it was worse when we had lots of money and that we’ve done better since then. Certainly off field performance is a million times better than under MK
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Post by dixon13 on Jun 6, 2022 17:44:42 GMT
And of course Marwan installed Blease and Watson after he’d stopped the Club going out of existence; then bought JH to help….he got his process wrong and was naive but the fact we’re talking about the Club now is largely due to him. All I hear from you now is get behind Seb,but all we supposedly know is Seb wants to purchase the stadium unless you know more if you do let us all in on it.Because if Seb does purchase it and we stay there great,because as it stands we are off to Moor Lane,but please the give the people in charge at the moment a bit of credit The club is run the way it is because thats the way Koucash set it up, |
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Post by JJR on Jun 6, 2022 18:44:32 GMT
Yes he did stop the club from disappearing for which I’ll be forever grateful. But that’s not the point you were making was it JJR? You said that we are a club who can’t retain players or compete since Marwan left. I was merely pointing out that our position was no better under MK than it is now in terms of team performance. Many would argue it was worse when we had lots of money and that we’ve done better since then. Certainly off field performance is a million times better than under MK I agree RUB, but my point, which I possibly didn’t make too well was that it was down to two people that Marwan appointed Watto and Bleasy and then when we were in trouble with no scrum half he and Bleasy came up trumps with JH Watto also brought in Rowley….Marshall not the best. Soa bit of a legacy. Im not Marwans biggest fan but he was conned by successive experts and coaches, he was a bit gung ho but he was passionate did save the Club and put in £5M. We could do with him now in my opinion because we’ve raised no money since he left; continuous survival, selling best players annually isn’t the best. We seem to be going backwards financially and ML to me is a Championship ground, with smaller capacity and much worse accessibility than the Willows, even if the Council throw money in….another short term handout. |
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Post by dixon13 on Jun 6, 2022 18:55:04 GMT
Yes he did stop the club from disappearing for which I’ll be forever grateful. But that’s not the point you were making was it JJR? You said that we are a club who can’t retain players or compete since Marwan left. I was merely pointing out that our position was no better under MK than it is now in terms of team performance. Many would argue it was worse when we had lots of money and that we’ve done better since then. Certainly off field performance is a million times better than under MK I agree RUB, but my point, which I possibly didn’t make too well was that it was down to two people that Marwan appointed Watto and Bleasy and then when we were in trouble with no scrum half he and Bleasy came up trumps with JH Watto also brought in Rowley….Marshall not the best. Soa bit of a legacy. Im not Marwans biggest fan but he was conned by successive experts and coaches, he was a bit gung ho but he was passionate did save the Club and put in £5M. We could do with him now in my opinion because we’ve raised no money since he left; continuous survival, selling best players annually isn’t the best. We seem to be going backwards financially and ML to me is a Championship ground, with smaller capacity and much worse accessibility than the Willows, even if the Council throw money in….another short term handout. Nobody wants to go to Moor Lane I would really like to know what you think we should do Beside get behind Seb If the council give us another £1 their will be hell to pay |
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Post by lhred on Jun 6, 2022 19:05:21 GMT
We could do with him now?! What for more unpaid stuff? Players kit companies the list goes on! Where's the proof he put 5million in?
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Post by JJR on Jun 6, 2022 19:38:52 GMT
One of the one of the things that really worries me Dixon is the new Planning/ Consultancy/ Management Group effectively taking over the direction of RL. If you look objectively at our potential situation York, Leigh, Widnes, Featherstone, Newcastle and others would have better facilities. The RL now has a base at the Etihad. Hull KR, Wakefield and Cas have all got the plans and some finance now towards good ground developments….We are going in what direction?
From what’s been stated the Club has been looking for an investor from Day 1 of the Community Club.
Seb apparently has said when he secures the Stadium he will invest in the Club, so I , like I assume like the Club, I am getting behind him.
As far as the zClub’s concerned, we seem to be in constant survival mode with no money and little ability to raise any. I support all lifeboat men Dixon but I want to get on an ocean liner.
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Post by JJR on Jun 6, 2022 19:51:36 GMT
Lhr, we could do with him now as an investor is what I meant. From what I gather he lost a lot of money and learnt. I wouldn’t want him to control the Club. Like everything* the Community Club doesn’t need publish full accounts, full minutes of meetings, a strategic plan etc…so all I can go on is what’s written about…who knows the full facts…why did he appoint the gang of 4 , then 3 leave…lots of unanswered questions. But I’m unhappy that we’re a feeder club in survival mode when we should be a big City Community Club. We need to raise money in sizeable amounts, somehow. Not Council handout for a ground, not squad builder.
As an aside, a Commercial Manager came in a blaze of glory…what’s he doing commercially to further the Club?
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Post by dixon13 on Jun 6, 2022 20:01:49 GMT
One of the one of the things that really worries me Dixon is the new Planning/ Consultancy/ Management Group effectively taking over the direction of RL. If you look objectively at our potential situation York, Leigh, Widnes, Featherstone, Newcastle and others would have better facilities. The RL now has a base at the Etihad. Hull KR, Wakefield and Cas have all got the plans and some finance now towards good ground developments….We are going in what direction? From what’s been stated the Club has been looking for an investor from Day 1 of the Community Club. Seb apparently has said when he secures the Stadium he will invest in the Club, so I , like I assume like the Club, I am getting behind him. As far as the zClub’s concerned, we seem to be in constant survival mode with no money and little ability to raise any. I support all lifeboat men Dixon but I want to get on an ocean liner. If Seb plan comes to fruition and we stay at the AJB,everyone will be over the moon |
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Post by Redrum on Jun 7, 2022 7:17:15 GMT
Having calmed down now a few points I wanted to make. Firstly "our expansive" game can only be played on fair weather days and we need to learn to win ugly by including another forward when conditions are like these. Secondly, all the good things we've been doing in recent weeks, getting through our sets and applying the pressure making them start on their line was sadly missing, instead we were trying to play hollywood hand offs and flick ons in conditions that didn't merrit it. Thirdly, some of the players that are comfy need swapping out and i include sneyd sio and a few others in that to keep it fresh. Lastly, it's an off day that cannot undo our superb recent performances (Wigan saints Leeds and cas), were going well let's get back to basics.
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Post by JJR on Jun 7, 2022 7:54:49 GMT
I think the way Rowley coaches that he gives them a bit of a free reign; if they see it they play it. A learning curve for them but we all know in the wet wind and mud, tackle, kick hard and only play in their 25 (22)
Let’s hope they learn. He probably played Escare as he was unsure re Brierley. Need perhaps a strong leader on the pitch and as Sneyd well marked get Croft sharing the kicking.
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Post by mauricethered on Jun 7, 2022 7:59:56 GMT
Having calmed down now a few points I wanted to make. Firstly "our expansive" game can only be played on fair weather days and we need to learn to win ugly by including another forward when conditions are like these. Secondly, all the good things we've been doing in recent weeks, getting through our sets and applying the pressure making them start on their line was sadly missing, instead we were trying to play hollywood hand offs and flick ons in conditions that didn't merrit it. Thirdly, some of the players that are comfy need swapping out and i include sneyd sio and a few others in that to keep it fresh. Lastly, it's an off day that cannot undo our superb recent performances (Wigan saints Leeds and cas), were going well let's get back to basics. Spot on, deffo agree on players being changed, interestingly Costello had a great game for Barrow at the weekend. For me bar one or two superb moments (like 40/20s) Syned's kicking (Not goal kicking) has been indifferent, we need him kicking like he did v Cas away and let Croft run the ball. If Rowley does not back up the need for basics going into the Wigan game then it will be a very long night, they've built their season on a solid defensive structure whereas ours is erratic. |
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Post by returningred on Jun 7, 2022 8:09:32 GMT
Lhr, we could do with him now as an investor is what I meant. From what I gather he lost a lot of money and learnt. I wouldn’t want him to control the Club. Like everything* the Community Club doesn’t need publish full accounts, full minutes of meetings, a strategic plan etc…so all I can go on is what’s written about…who knows the full facts…why did he appoint the gang of 4 , then 3 leave…lots of unanswered questions. But I’m unhappy that we’re a feeder club in survival mode when we should be a big City Community Club. We need to raise money in sizeable amounts, somehow. Not Council handout for a ground, not squad builder. As an aside, a Commercial Manager came in a blaze of glory…what’s he doing commercially to further the Club? Wouldnt want MK anywhere near the club, look at what he did to the club, he disbanded the Academy - essentially put us back many many years in terms of bringing our own lads through. We had more court cases ongoing in a season that we had points, we had players taking the club and him to court to regain unpaid wages and side agreements. We got taken to court by our own kit suppliers because we didnt pay them despite this huge statement that we had gained under armour as a supplier. sponsorship on our shirts always included his own companies, space which he could have sold to different companies to generate income for the club. you say that he brought in Blease and Watson, but lets not kid ourselves, he also brought in Noble and Harris and Watson got the job because of how Harris was dumped. The Commercial Manager who has been brought into the club has for the first time in a long time managed to gain multiple year sponsorship deals, we have more commercial income now than we have ever had as a club, Devil in the Detail did a Podcast with him where he explained exactly what he was doing which is probably worth a listen. The club in its current guise has now got a reserves, a promising ladies team, set up a PDRL and LDRL team, have link ups with the Welsh RL and a pathway for talented youngsters to progress in the game. you say the club need investment and there is not 1 person associated with the club who would disagree with that, however people willing to put in that sort of money do not grow on trees so im unsure what you expect the club to do. we have far more now that we ever did under MK. |
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