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Post by dixon13 on Feb 22, 2022 10:22:27 GMT
Maybe when Sale and Salford City start to train at the AJB they will have sorted it out,they will be the owners.
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Post by SalfordSlim on Feb 22, 2022 11:04:48 GMT
Maybe when Sale and Salford City start to train at the AJB they will have sorted it out,they will be the owners. Not sure how a football team and a rugby team could use the same training pitch tbh. Sale will destroy it with all their scrummaging practice etc. Can see another pitch potentially being laid next to the ground and each team having their own training facilities. Does anyone know if we use the 4g pitch at all? I've never seen the lads training on it but it must be a decent back up option with the training pitch being out of action. |
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Post by devilsadvocate on Feb 22, 2022 11:31:02 GMT
So I have to admit that I was in the Moor Lane Camp until I discussed this with a fellow Salford fan.
So the Tolouse game was a good pointer to one of the big issues outside of parking,star of repair,standard of ground,lack of corporate facilities at Moor Lane.We had 4000 for the Tolouse game in terrible weather,no away fans,likely a bottom of the table team.Moor Lane's capacity is 5108.So what happens if we get top 4 on a regular basis.Our average crowd has always been swollen by large travelling support from the big clubs.
The locals will heavily oppose any expansion of the ground and we have no money.Then bigger crowds need more parking and so it goes on.
The obvious solution is Gigg Lane.Set up for larger crowds,bigger capacity,parking.Just bought by the Bury football Trust.They would welcome the income and we could potentially have much more input than at the AJ Bell.The local area has much better pub,etc facilities.Geographically not that much further away from the AJ Bell than Moor Lane.
Biggest drawback is outside Salford.
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Post by returningred on Feb 22, 2022 11:57:52 GMT
So I have to admit that I was in the Moor Lane Camp until I discussed this with a fellow Salford fan. So the Tolouse game was a good pointer to one of the big issues outside of parking,star of repair,standard of ground,lack of corporate facilities at Moor Lane.We had 4000 for the Tolouse game in terrible weather,no away fans,likely a bottom of the table team.Moor Lane's capacity is 5108.So what happens if we get top 4 on a regular basis.Our average crowd has always been swollen by large travelling support from the big clubs. The locals will heavily oppose any expansion of the ground and we have no money.Then bigger crowds need more parking and so it goes on. The obvious solution is Gigg Lane.Set up for larger crowds,bigger capacity,parking.Just bought by the Bury football Trust.They would welcome the income and we could potentially have much more input than at the AJ Bell.The local area has much better pub,etc facilities.Geographically not that much further away from the AJ Bell than Moor Lane. Biggest drawback is outside Salford. if we were to move out of the city then that would be it for the Salford Red Devils IMO. Paul King has already said he would facilitate a move but then he would be gone! The club are in consultation with the council Re parking are they not? as for Hospitality etc, whilst Moor Lane does not have it at the levels of the AJ Bell there is Hospitality there. |
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Post by returningred on Feb 22, 2022 11:58:51 GMT
Maybe when Sale and Salford City start to train at the AJB they will have sorted it out,they will be the owners. Not sure how a football team and a rugby team could use the same training pitch tbh. Sale will destroy it with all their scrummaging practice etc. Can see another pitch potentially being laid next to the ground and each team having their own training facilities. Does anyone know if we use the 4g pitch at all? I've never seen the lads training on it but it must be a decent back up option with the training pitch being out of action. Sale wont be training at the AJ Bell, they have there own training facility in Carrington which from memory was the old Man City facility before they moved to the Etihad. |
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Post by dixon13 on Feb 22, 2022 12:45:46 GMT
So I have to admit that I was in the Moor Lane Camp until I discussed this with a fellow Salford fan. So the Tolouse game was a good pointer to one of the big issues outside of parking,star of repair,standard of ground,lack of corporate facilities at Moor Lane.We had 4000 for the Tolouse game in terrible weather,no away fans,likely a bottom of the table team.Moor Lane's capacity is 5108.So what happens if we get top 4 on a regular basis.Our average crowd has always been swollen by large travelling support from the big clubs. The locals will heavily oppose any expansion of the ground and we have no money.Then bigger crowds need more parking and so it goes on. The obvious solution is Gigg Lane.Set up for larger crowds,bigger capacity,parking.Just bought by the Bury football Trust.They would welcome the income and we could potentially have much more input than at the AJ Bell.The local area has much better pub,etc facilities.Geographically not that much further away from the AJ Bell than Moor Lane. Biggest drawback is outside Salford. if we were to move out of the city then that would be it for the Salford Red Devils IMO. Paul King has already said he would facilitate a move but then he would be gone! The club are in consultation with the council Re parking are they not? as for Hospitality etc, whilst Moor Lane does not have it at the levels of the AJ Bell there is Hospitality there. Maybe Mr King should not have said that.now our survival is only assured while he is their .Now before it is said I am changing my mind I am not,and Moor Lane is the preferred option.I do take on board what the previous post says I for one had not thought about it. But he as a valid point. |
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Post by johnh1 on Feb 22, 2022 13:01:22 GMT
If we can get Moor Lane capacity up to 8000, that is surely the preference. Parking will remain a problem. Maybe a couple of park and ride facilities. One in Prestwich for away fans and one near The Willows for home fans. I think Gigg Lane would be the end of the club as we know it, and we would become another Oldham or Swinton.
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Post by JJR on Feb 22, 2022 13:03:56 GMT
Let’s face it, in reality Moor Lane can only be a stop gap for SL for all the numerous reasons stated, inc less than half the Willows capacity Survival part which will probably be limited in SL terms to a few years
The Club in my opinion has to additionally look ahead to where we ultimately want to be, as any business would.
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Post by dixon13 on Feb 22, 2022 13:24:45 GMT
If we can get Moor Lane capacity up to 8000, that is surely the preference. Parking will remain a problem. Maybe a couple of park and ride facilities. One in Prestwich for away fans and one near The Willows for home fans. I think Gigg Lane would be the end of the club as we know it, and we would become another Oldham or Swinton. The only money spent at Moor Lane should the amount to get it to basic standard for Super League.That is if they are sincere about it being a stop gap and I don't think they can make Moor Lane bigger and in my opinion we should not be spending money trying. If the council start giving us money their will be rucksions and rightly so |
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Post by bonitared on Feb 22, 2022 13:52:17 GMT
The only new money comes from either the Council or a benefactor.
As Dixon13 rightly says,the Council won’t give us any more cash,their pet project cost them too much and they want their money back.
I don’t think Moor Lane will be a stop gap. Once we’re there,that’s it unless new money comes along.
Paul King was being honest that he’d leave if we moved out of the City. It was a mistake to say it because it makes him sound as though he’s fundamental to the club’s existence,which I’m sure wasn’t his intention.
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Post by SalfordSlim on Feb 22, 2022 15:04:28 GMT
Pretty sure that someone said that Moor Lane would be a 20+ year lease so unless we win the EuroMillions we ain't moving from there anytime soon.
The obvious solution would be for the council to move the stadium at Moor Lane down to where Moorside Rangers play on Agecroft Road. If Moorside are leasing that land then they could almost switch grounds. I'm pretty sure the Peninsula Stadium could be unscrewed and loaded on the back of a couple of lorries and transported down the road in a couple of days.😂 You'd then have the additional land to build the added infrastructure required and the trading estate where Nimans is would be ideal for match day parking. The Agecroft stadium could then be the Salford/Swinton community stadium that's been talked about for years.
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Post by JJR on Feb 22, 2022 15:47:18 GMT
The only new money comes from either the Council or a benefactor. As Dixon13 rightly says,the Council won’t give us any more cash,their pet project cost them too much and they want their money back. I don’t think Moor Lane will be a stop gap. Once we’re there,that’s it unless new money comes along. Paul King was being honest that he’d leave if we moved out of the City. It was a mistake to say it because it makes him sound as though he’s fundamental to the club’s existence,which I’m sure wasn’t his intention. That’s not quite right BR. There are lots of models of funding Community Clubs. Waiting for a benefactor is bit old hat now. |
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Post by dixon13 on Feb 22, 2022 17:42:24 GMT
JJR don't leave it their.tell us these funding methods that don't include Salford Council
or better still tell Paul King
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Post by JJR on Feb 22, 2022 18:30:29 GMT
You need to look at the way community football and continental clubs are funded and operate; inc Barcelona, most Bundesliga clubs and lots of lower division English clubs.V simple case is F C United, who also got a new ground out of it
Lots of examples of it that are in the public domain,
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Post by dixon13 on Feb 22, 2022 18:53:58 GMT
You need to look at the way community football and continental clubs are funded and operate; inc Barcelona, most Bundesliga clubs and lots of lower division English clubs.V simple case is F C United, who also got a new ground out of it Lots of examples of it that are in the public domain, Another ground I have been on But not Super League standard FC United have done very well But their is know land in Salford. I think we will be at Moor Lane for a long time That is just way the mop as flopped. |
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