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Nov 13, 2021 14:55:31 GMT
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Post by bimbam68 on Nov 13, 2021 14:55:31 GMT
The use of due diligence at the meeting confused me a little. Yes it was mentioned and we are in the process, but then we have no idea of what the cost of the required changes to the ground will come in at. Surely we only enter due diligence once have the architects input in cost.
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Post by Carnster on Nov 13, 2021 17:12:03 GMT
If anything in modern society has taught us, letting the population vote on anything is a bad idea. Dictatorship much preferred,eh ? No. But most people are morons. It's a catch-22 though. Sorry if I offended any morons reading this but it is what it is... As for the club. I'd rather have them deciding on what's best than throw it out to fans who will mostly be voting blindly on a complex situation. Hope that clears up my point. |
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Post by john964 on Nov 13, 2021 17:36:02 GMT
Dictatorship much preferred,eh ? No. But most people are morons. It's a catch-22 though. Sorry if I offended any morons reading this but it is what it is... As for the club. I'd rather have them deciding on what's best than throw it out to fans who will mostly be voting blindly on a complex situation. Hope that clears up my point. Always remember the quote, but never who said it. So who said "If voting really mattered they would not let us do it." "Never underestimate the stupidity of the general public" "It does not matter who you vote for the government always gets in" so in general agree, just get on with it and decide, we trust the board to do the best for the club, if you don't agree put your hand in your pocket bring out tens of millions and dictate what we do. Otherwise "engage brain before opening your mouth", buy a silver bullet,cross your fingers and pray or simply support the club to the best of your ability. |
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Post by bonitared on Nov 13, 2021 17:43:23 GMT
No. But most people are morons. It's a catch-22 though. Sorry if I offended any morons reading this but it is what it is... so in general agree, just get on with it and decide, we trust the board to do the best for the club, if you don't agree put your hand in your pocket bring out tens of millions and dictate what we do. Otherwise "engage brain before opening your mouth", buy a silver bullet,cross your fingers and pray or simply support the club to the best of your ability. Support the club to the best of your ability is bang on,and let the board decide what’s best. They have all the facts,some of which they’re probably unable to share |
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Post by Redrum on Nov 14, 2021 20:54:11 GMT
If you cast your mind back to the crazy willows days, open air toilets, that qurky cabin that sold cans at the top, the atmosphere and the intimate settings were what gave a rickety old ground so much charm and character.
When we moved to the AJ bell, I remember checking online daily at the development of a new stadium watching it being constructed but the excitement was short lived as it never really felt like our ground, see to me I've never really bonded to the AJ bell, the standing section behind the posts needed to be along the sides, the lack of salford identity - it just doesn't feel like Salfords ground and never has.
For me this is a real chance to perhaps turn moor lane into that "willows environment", forget the capacity it's clear a consistent 5k will be a struggle so let's concentrate on the positives, we can make this feel like our own, a real tough place to come to with a raukus atmosphere and at the end of the day were still in Salford. I honestly don't think it's all that bad providing we can afford it.
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Moor Lane
Nov 14, 2021 21:22:42 GMT
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Post by kilop on Nov 14, 2021 21:22:42 GMT
If you cast your mind back to the crazy willows days, open air toilets, that qurky cabin that sold cans at the top, the atmosphere and the intimate settings were what gave a rickety old ground so much charm and character. When we moved to the AJ bell, I remember checking online daily at the development of a new stadium watching it being constructed but the excitement was short lived as it never really felt like our ground, see to me I've never really bonded to the AJ bell, the standing section behind the posts needed to be along the sides, the lack of salford identity - it just doesn't feel like Salfords ground and never has. For me this is a real chance to perhaps turn moor lane into that "willows environment", forget the capacity it's clear a consistent 5k will be a struggle so let's concentrate on the positives, we can make this feel like our own, a real tough place to come to with a raukus atmosphere and at the end of the day were still in Salford. I honestly don't think it's all that bad providing we can afford it. Spot on |
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Post by salfordkeys on Nov 15, 2021 9:48:05 GMT
I think we are probably the only Club in any sport to see crowds actually drop due to a move to a new stadium. Despite some relative success it seems clear that the AJB will never see us grow the fan base, so we may as well enjoy the benefit of paying 1 peppercorn per year rather than £450k!
If we can grow the base again and get the Elite Academy approved etc then the Club ought to then regain more of a foothold in the community, sadly something that has eroded over the last 8 years or so.
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Post by bigkeev on Nov 15, 2021 11:41:56 GMT
Dictatorship much preferred,eh ? No. But most people are morons. It's a catch-22 though. Sorry if I offended any morons reading this but it is what it is... As for the club. I'd rather have them deciding on what's best than throw it out to fans who will mostly be voting blindly on a complex situation. Hope that clears up my point. If the 20th and early 21st Century have taught us anything its that Democracy and I would also argue Capitalism don't work. Sadly the club are already victims of failed Capitalism, lets not inflict democracy on them as well. |
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Moor Lane
Nov 15, 2021 13:53:23 GMT
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Post by dixon13 on Nov 15, 2021 13:53:23 GMT
No. But most people are morons. It's a catch-22 though. Sorry if I offended any morons reading this but it is what it is... As for the club. I'd rather have them deciding on what's best than throw it out to fans who will mostly be voting blindly on a complex situation. Hope that clears up my point. If the 20th and early 21st Century have taught us anything its that Democracy and I would also argue Capitalism don't work. Sadly the club are already victims of failed Capitalism, lets not inflict democracy on them as well. I don't think it's democracy as such,more the Democrats that use it, it's like all these Democrats in the House of Commons who are raking in millions from other work.Then voting on the triple lock on pensions or universal credits or what ever maybe thats a different democracy. |
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Post by JJR on Nov 15, 2021 15:08:32 GMT
We’ll at least BK with no capitalism and democracy we have the right coloured shirts; mind you that doesn’t work either.
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Post by bonitared on Nov 15, 2021 15:14:11 GMT
Speak to those who have no democracy ,and no capitalism and ask them how it’s going .
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Moor Lane
Nov 15, 2021 15:42:59 GMT
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Post by redwolf on Nov 15, 2021 15:42:59 GMT
All, please bare in mind that I am 80 miles away from the situation and have no facts or supporting information.
IMHO as a longstanding and very passionate supporter of this club I love wholeheartedly (as you all do), I genuinely believe that Salford City Council has an obligation to support our club in matters such as this, if they wish to continue to have a super league club of good stature within their city/community. I say this because when we were 'forced' to move from our beloved Willows home my understanding was that the "salford city stadium' was built for Salford rlfc to play rugby league at. I rest my case, very simple and undoubtedly flimsy view but that's how I see the situation from Wolverhampton. Btw, we should never have been made to move in the first place, something should have been sorted out for the Willows to still operate, I know there were debts, the variety club was on it's knees and major ground renovation was needed, but surely it would have been better to sort all that out somehow rather than having, seemingly no real control over our immediate future?? That's when things started to go down hill, administratively anyway.
Again all this is just a basic view on things from me so please don't judge me personally. I'm more than happy to be corrected.
I respect all your views and thoughts, I only ask for the same. Cheers everyone.
Salford Forever
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Post by Carnster on Nov 15, 2021 18:55:19 GMT
It's a sad fact that none of the political ideologies actually work for everyone when put into practice. They'll all work in some way for some people, but will leave others by the wayside. My point about letting the fans vote on something where they don't and will not know all the crucial facts is a bad idea. It's why we have 'boaty-Mcboat-face'. It's why we now favour trade deals with the other side of planet rather than those next door. People vote on emotion rather than think in the broadest sense. Human nature. What I want is the best people to make the best decision. That's the board and those behind the scenes in our case. I'm a long standing fan, and no way should I be voting on such a crucial decision.
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Post by bimbam68 on Nov 15, 2021 19:53:08 GMT
I think the option of a vote is doomed before it starts. I have followed Salford for around 50 years on and off. I have only had a season ticket for around 6 years. I cannot see how having a season ticket gives me a better opinion than the person who hasn’t missed a game for 30 years but chooses to pay for each game!
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Post by osrd on Nov 15, 2021 21:00:14 GMT
In my opinion the reason the survey would possibly be for season ticket holders was due to the fact that if it was open to everybody anyone could participate whether they ever watched the Red Devil’s or not, including supporters of other clubs, some of whom would like to see us off.
I had a discussion earlier today with a person who has never paid to see a Rugby League match but openly said that if he had a vote he would vote to go to the Etihad site, so that the Red Devil’s would firstly upset the City fans, then change their name etc,etc ,at that junction our discussion ended.
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