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Post by Carnster on Aug 24, 2021 6:19:17 GMT
And who would the new coach be….  ? Intreresting debate. Judging by the tweets that Paul King is liking and retweeting RM will be going nowhere. So at this point we're all just venting...and we'll continue on this blindfolded journey until the wheels fall off or the blindfold does. I'm thinking the blindfold is tied tight and the wheels on this particular bus have a few loose nuts... |
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Post by tony13 on Aug 24, 2021 7:49:48 GMT
And who would the new coach be…. ? Intreresting debate. Judging by the tweets that Paul King is liking and retweeting RM will be going nowhere. So at this point we're all just venting...and we'll continue on this blindfolded journey until the wheels fall off or the blindfold does. I'm thinking the blindfold is tied tight and the wheels on this particular bus have a few loose nuts... Well, a few nuts for sure! 🤩 |
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Post by manny on Aug 24, 2021 9:54:38 GMT
I don’t think you can underestimate the impact of several senior players leaving the club last year and having a new coaching team coming in. I think the club need to give Marshall the opportunity to recruit his own players and then review the situation again after 10 games next season. If we still have a self destructive discipline problem and we’re in the bottom 3 and showing no signs of improvement then would be the time for the club to act decisively in my opinion. Obviously hoping RM can steer us around a difficult corner and it doesn’t come to this.
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Post by earlybath on Aug 24, 2021 11:21:30 GMT
Full agreement there Manny. Time will be the healer one way or t`other.
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Post by dixon13 on Aug 24, 2021 11:54:02 GMT
I don’t think you can underestimate the impact of several senior players leaving the club last year and having a new coaching team coming in. I think the club need to give Marshall the opportunity to recruit his own players and then review the situation again after 10 games next season. If we still have a self destructive discipline problem and we’re in the bottom 3 and showing no signs of improvement then would be the time for the club to act decisively in my opinion. Obviously hoping RM can steer us around a difficult corner and it doesn’t come to this. If this conversation is being had after 10 games into next season,then Paul King would need Harry Houdini. Because if Marshall is not sackable now because as we have been told by some on here we can't afford to pay him up then surely the same applies in the future. I don't like anyone loosing their job,but if we can't afford to change the coach if we are really that strapped then we might as well give up now. If Mr King and Mr Blease are happy with what was dished up for rugbry league Sunday last they don't deserve support. If Leigh's victory had drawn then level with us, We would be relegated this season,its a good job we have got the buffer |
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Post by giasf on Aug 24, 2021 11:56:24 GMT
Personally I think we’ve seen worse teams over the years, as much as this has been a hard watch I don’t think that’s the only reason people are becoming dissallusioned. It’s been a really poor standard across the board this season, for all teams. Hull v KR yesterday was the best game I’ve seen for a while, and that was hardly Champagne rugby. All the cancellations are having an impact too, it’s becoming a joke. With all the other off field issues going on, talk of restructure, looking like we’ll have to move. It’s all negative All of this off the back of our best 2 seasons in (my) living memory, it’s no wonder people are feeling like jacking it. I just feel as bad as this is, it’s not actually as bad as it feels. The signings we’ve made for next year seem positive, that’s a big plus. I trust King and Blease to make the right call on Marshall. They are ultimately fans and want the best for the club like we all do. They will make the tough calls I’m sure. Very much my line of thinking. There is very little positivity about in the sport and in life in general for most at present - hardly a surprise that people's patience with some poor performances is thin. It's a complete over-reaction to say this is the worst team/as bad as we've been in x number of years. I've only been following Salford since 1993 but I can name several sides vastly worse than the current crop, particularly around the turn of the century. |
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Post by bonitared on Aug 24, 2021 12:14:15 GMT
Surely,that’s the frustration.
Those crap teams in the past had some crap players so we wanted them to fight for their shirt but our expectations were low.
This is a very good squad on paper and massively underperforming
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Post by manny on Aug 24, 2021 12:23:48 GMT
Surely,that’s the frustration. Those crap teams in the past had some crap players so we wanted them to fight for their shirt but our expectations were low. This is a very good squad on paper and massively underperforming Agree it’s a decent looking squad but is the team underperforming because of the numerous absentees throughout the season. It’s just very difficult to build any cohesion and make progression with so many changes to the team every match. |
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Post by mauricethered on Aug 24, 2021 12:45:27 GMT
Surely,that’s the frustration. Those crap teams in the past had some crap players so we wanted them to fight for their shirt but our expectations were low. This is a very good squad on paper and massively underperforming Agree it’s a decent looking squad but is the team underperforming because of the numerous absentees throughout the season. It’s just very difficult to build any cohesion and make progression with so many changes to the team every match. I disagree that injuries and Covid can be blamed for our poor standard of Rugby League this year. Every team in super league has had the same challenges to navigate, some teams having more injuries. Our coach has never settled on a team selection, with a larger squad than we have had in prior years. Not playing Escare at full back is a prime example, he is our best recognised full back. The Salford attack is as disjointed now as it was against Saints in our first game. The question I have for Salford fans is what value has Marshall added? Based on our performances this year I would say very little to this point. But I am a fan, the decisions lie with Blease and King. |
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Post by manny on Aug 24, 2021 13:02:20 GMT
I can understand people’s frustration but what I will say is Watto was in a similar position at this stage and the rest is history. I’m not making excuses for Marshall we’ve been garbage this season compared to the two previous years and he could be a poor coach. I’m simply just trying to look objectively at the hand he’s been dealt with so many absentees this year and several key players leaving last year.
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Post by Red Dave on Aug 24, 2021 13:36:31 GMT
It is certainly true that what we saw at Leigh is unacceptable. For the first time in 70 years I left a Rugby League ground before the end of the game. Once Liam Hood scored I’d had enough.
I disagree with the fans who claim we weren’t trying. I think it’s worse than that. It’s very difficult to defend the way we did for much of the game without trying; we tried but did not seem to have any attacking structures, plans or ideas except a kick on the fifth tackle - or sometimes earlier! We seemed to have decided that passing wasn’t part of our game plan ( except for a couple of long passes to an unmarked winger ) while Leigh moved the ball wide regularly. This inability to attack is very worrying. How I miss Niall Evalds joining the line and giving us a variety of options.
We are really short of forwards who can make ground and dominate the opposition. I think Sam Luckley is the only one of our forwards who looks like a prop, but he doesn’t seem to make the seventeen as often as I think he should. Our forwards were second best to Leigh’s pack and I can’t see us dominating Catalan’s pack on Thursday. We desperately need three or four effective props for next season.
I think we have to see what Richard Marshall can do with his own signings before we make a decision about his future but I do not think I can see much evidence of structures and attacking ideas at the moment, and certainly no evidence of a better disciplined approach to games.
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Post by redunderthebed on Aug 24, 2021 13:51:33 GMT
Sundays game wasn’t in the top 20 worst performances I’ve seen. Possibly not the top 50! Massive over reaction
I like how people talk about us being lucky to have a buffer of being several points/% above Leigh. That ‘buffet’ is the result of us winning more games than them and Wakefield. That’s not luck it’s down to the coaches and the players just as much as the poor performances are. It is far too early to get rid of a new coach.
There is no single reason why we aren’t performing. All clubs will have different things going on. I honestly believe this has been the poorest standard of RL I have ever seen at the top level. Wigan are awful yet sit in the top 4, catalans are ok and are nearly unbeaten. Saints not a patch on the 2019 team. KR and Leeds very average but doing ok. No-one apart from cats and Saints has any consistency. I think we are the only team to go into the season with a new coaching team, a massive change in player roster, one of (the?) smallest wage bill, and losing our senior players on top of everything else that is impacting all the rest. Some of that applies to Huddersfield who are in a similar position with a lot more money spent.
I am as unhappy with this season as i anyone else but sacking the coach now is pointless. Ask Leigh! There were plenty calling for Watto’s head in 2018 when he’d had far longer to sort things than Marshall has. My opinion is that Marshall isn’t as good a coach as Watson but I’m hoping he proves me wrong or at least get us competing for the top half of the table again next year
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Post by manny on Aug 24, 2021 13:52:46 GMT
You would hope that a lot of hard work is going on behind the scenes and the fruits of this hasn’t come to fruition at this stage.
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Post by Carnster on Aug 24, 2021 14:41:17 GMT
I agree with what you're saying RUTB.
I think what makes this side stand-out more negatively than a lot of others is that it has a lot of ability but shows none of it. The most ill-disciplined Salford side I've seen with some of the very worst cohesion for a team I've ever seen. They consistently look like a bunch of strangers. There's also something a little intangible with regards to something not quite right and I can't really put my finger on it. I've seen worse Salford teams, but they never gave off this aura of failure quite like this team does. All poor teams have good days and often pull off big wins out of nothing.
This squad doesn't have that in them.
We'll have to see what next season brings. If I could finish the season now I would.
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Post by earlybath on Aug 24, 2021 14:51:04 GMT
From 3 years ago on here :-
`Think the time has come for someone to broach the subject of Watson and his effectiveness.
At times early last season we played some scintillating rugby but there has been a steady decline from the halfway point last season (just as Carney got his ban, coincidence I don't know) to where we are now looking bereft of any attacking threat.
Can think of many SL teams that would have got rid of Watson already but I think commendably we have stuck with a Salford lad but sadly now think if a change isn't made we run the risk of steadying ourselves for the middle 8's with only the crumb of the extra home game to play for.`
So even at that time there were `fans` willing to stick the knife in. We stuck with Watto and managed 2 Major Finals after this difficult period. So give Marshall some time and see if he can emulate.
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? Intreresting debate.
