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Post by SalfordSlim on Jul 10, 2021 21:42:35 GMT
The problem with Moor Lane is the compact geography and the negative relationship with the neighbours due to lack of parking and rowdiness from the crowd. But the solution could be in Salford moving there in the short term whilst the area fronting forest bank prison but facing Agecroft cemetery is developed into the new ground, this was the area originally put aside for Swinton RLFC and the folly club to reside, it is presently home to a football club. Once built, Moor Lane could be sold off for housing to pay for the new stadium and any other investors that need paying off. Obviously this then give an opportunity for Swinton to move back into the area. The positives of this, we will have a captive audience near the dead centre of town. Trying to develop the land next to Forest Bank will go down well with one fan who was at the fans forum the other night.đ He's involved with some local footy club and he was quite adamant Salford shouldn't be looking at building a ground on any land currently occupied by any grassroots football clubs. The land I think you're on about is where Moorside Rangers adult team play (and previously Salford Vics IIRC). How dare we try and get our hands on some land the mighty Moorside Rangers are using!đđ This would be the same Moorside Rangers that have all their junior teams based over on Beech Farm in Swinton of course... so they're obviously trying to take over Salford with all this land they're using!đ |
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Post by JJR on Jul 11, 2021 6:33:57 GMT
Looking back we should not have left the Willows.I was thinking back to a meeting in the Weaste Hotel,When I first found out about the 8,000 crowd we would need at Barton. I think it was David Tarry who said it.I did not think it would happen,Wilky and Tarry thought other wise.I know people have said the club was backed into a corner with the league,I go along to some extent,but I also thought Wilky wanted Barton to be is legacy,all that Mr Salford stuff.Yes he did a lot for the club,but then so have a lot of other people down the the years,but I do think he got it wrong,but like others have said you can't turn back the clock. Must disagree with you Dixon. It's easy to dismiss the likes of John Wilky and even Marwan who put in and lost millions of pounds to keep the Club going and give us lots of pleasure and pain. To make out that John did things just for a legacy is sad. You seem to leave out the fact that the RFL were developing another hairbrained scheme for SL, in the franchise type system: Hull, Warrington, Huddersfield, Wigan etc all moved grounds and most became tenants because of supposed regulations. Of course Cas, Wakey, KR, got away with it and still get away with it. You forget also to mention that Peel fought a massive legal battle to drain funds from the company set up to develop the site and the Gov changed the casino rules. John and Marwan both had a vision, and ploughed in millions of their own money, John probably lost more in the recent CVA episode. The visions were flawed but they took us forward Possibly Dixon you would like us to have followed Oldham and Swinton with our heads in the sand. Hindsight is a great thing. Im not sure what the vision of the Community Board is, if they have one, but if we drift along, as you suggest we will follow Swinton and Oldham. What we need is a vision and a strategy to keep,this great Club in SL. Any ideas Dixon ? |
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Post by dixon13 on Jul 11, 2021 8:36:30 GMT
Looking back we should not have left the Willows.I was thinking back to a meeting in the Weaste Hotel,When I first found out about the 8,000 crowd we would need at Barton. I think it was David Tarry who said it.I did not think it would happen,Wilky and Tarry thought other wise.I know people have said the club was backed into a corner with the league,I go along to some extent,but I also thought Wilky wanted Barton to be is legacy,all that Mr Salford stuff.Yes he did a lot for the club,but then so have a lot of other people down the the years,but I do think he got it wrong,but like others have said you can't turn back the clock. Must disagree with you Dixon. It's easy to dismiss the likes of John Wilky and even Marwan who put in and lost millions of pounds to keep the Club going and give us lots of pleasure and pain. To make out that John did things just for a legacy is sad. You seem to leave out the fact that the RFL were developing another hairbrained scheme for SL, in the franchise type system: Hull, Warrington, Huddersfield, Â Wigan etc all moved grounds and most became tenants because of supposed regulations. Of course Cas, Wakey, KR, got away with it and still get away with it. You forget also to mention that Peel fought a massive legal battle to drain funds from the company set up to develop the site and the Gov changed the casino rules. John and Marwan both had a vision, and ploughed in millions of their own money, John probably lost more in the recent CVA episode. The visions were flawed but they took us forward Possibly Dixon you would like us to have followed Oldham and Swinton with our heads in the sand. Hindsight is a great thing. Im not sure what the vision of the Community Board is, if they have one, but if we drift along, as you suggest we will follow Swinton and Oldham. What we need is a vision and a strategy to keep,this great Club in SL. Any ideas Dixon ? Like I have said before on this forum opinions are like aceholes everyone as one. First of all I never belittled the efforts of John and Marwan,not for one minute.they did what every custodian of the club as done since the club formed.put time and money in it. You put forward some reasons that went against us and with most of them I agree, where I don't is about the league we could have dug in like the rest did,and remember the first stadium model we saw was to hold 25 000. I am not talking out of turn because I told John like others did at the time we should have stayed put.I certainly did not call John or Marwan because they kept something going that I have had great pleasure from over a lifetime namely Salford RLFC.Now my thoughts on the future,it's bleak. That's not being defeatist ist a touch of realism.I watched the Ammies for quite a few years in my opinion Moor Lane is a night mare with 1.000 trying to get away from the place.I think if we go there that's where we will stay.I would like to be proved wrong,but I cant see us building a ground.One thing Neville did not do when he had the stands built at the lane was level the ground because if you put a plum bob touch line to touch line It slopes nearly a foot it was to expensive.If a new stadium is more than a pipe dream,in the interim we could use the etihad,Over to you. |
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Post by JJR on Jul 11, 2021 11:44:41 GMT
Dixon , we're from Salford mate, so we've got to dig in and find a way.
The past has gone: we build the future.
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Post by dixon13 on Jul 11, 2021 13:04:16 GMT
Dixon , we're from Salford mate, so we've got to dig in and find a way. The past has gone: we build the future. I agree with that,nobody wants this to come right more than me and if I can help in some way, like everyone on here I will be in the queue I have made friendships a plenty through the years watching this club and hope I can make a few more in what time I have left. |
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Post by dixon13 on Jul 11, 2021 14:50:57 GMT
Just a few more thoughts. We were told at the meeting we have got another season at Barton.The Council and Peel want out,we were told 15 million to purchase,so we have to believe that's the price for other interested parties.I was told a couple of weeks ago Salford City had got it,but they didn't want the Rugby with them,it seems that information was wrong,because we were told at the meeting it was Sale that had shown interest
That's where we are as it stands we were told the other parties are not kicking us and want to help This is where I can't get my head round it,if Sale got it they play in winter then surely we could pay them some rent and be minor tenants,or do they want sole use.We were also told Neville wants to help the only way he could help would be a nominal rent to use the fercilities at Moor Lane that they paid for.Because like I have said they don't own the ground it is leased from the council.If Salford City do move to Barton then in my opinion Sale will not be there they will be looking for a new ground like us.Does anyone agree with this or am I thinking wrong.
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Post by russ on Jul 11, 2021 16:46:08 GMT
Well they don't have a say really, and even if they did we'll just point at Belle Vue and ask what the hell they're talking about. We have to be real but everything that has happened here is not our fault it's more the RFL's actually.
Beyond that kick&clap proved what a vile sport it is that has such people in it!
I donât think you can really point fingers at Sale in this. They want essentially what we want in owning their own stadium. Only difference is they can afford it and we canât. Quite possibly if sale hasnât been at the AJ Bell paying their rent the stadium could have been taken away from us as we havenât been paying our agreed rent since we moved in and thatâs by a long way! Hindsight is a wonderful thing but the stadium just wasnât feasible with our low crowds and now sugar daddy I can't agree about Sale.
It was supposed to be our stadium and we've been shafted all along on this.
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Post by dixon13 on Jul 11, 2021 17:05:24 GMT
I 7donât think you can really point fingers at Sale in this. They want essentially what we want in owning their own stadium. Only difference is they can afford it and we canât. Quite possibly if sale hasnât been at the AJ Bell paying their rent the stadium could have been taken away from us as we havenât been paying our agreed rent since we moved in and thatâs by a long way! Hindsight is a wonderful thing but the stadium just wasnât feasible with our low crowds and now sugar daddy  I can't agree about Sale.
It was supposed to be our stadium and we've been shafted all along on this.
Russ we have not been shafted,we had a stadium built,we could not service the rent.Nothing to do with Sale,if anyone as been shafted its the Salford rate payers. |
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Post by russ on Jul 11, 2021 18:35:42 GMT
I can't agree about Sale.
It was supposed to be our stadium and we've been shafted all along on this.
Russ we have not been shafted,we had a stadium built,we could not service the rent.Nothing to do with Sale,if anyone as been shafted its the Salford rate payers. Sorry, everything to do with Sale and the people who own the docks that me Mam used to work for.
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Post by prestwichred on Jul 12, 2021 10:46:07 GMT
Russ we have not been shafted,we had a stadium built,we could not service the rent.Nothing to do with Sale,if anyone as been shafted its the Salford rate payers. Sorry, everything to do with Sale and the people who own the docks that me Mam used to work for.
Nothing to do with Peel or Sale. The council and Peel are losing millions on the stadium and quite rightly are looking to get rid. The fact that Salford have paid only 100k rent for 10 yrs is a credit to Peel and the council. As for Sale they could have booted us out ages ago imagine you paying full costs and seeing someone else paying substantially less. Iâm no fan of Sale Sharks but the fact they have said no deal will be done until Salfords future is secured rates them a little higher in my book. |
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Post by russ on Jul 12, 2021 10:48:50 GMT
Everything to do with Peel and Sale being involved in a stadium that should be ours.
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Post by JJR on Jul 12, 2021 11:06:05 GMT
Peel fought against the original development, because of conflict with the Trafford Centre, causing the company set up to do it to go bust, then they stepped in with their own plan to make big bucks.
We do owe them and the Council for no rent, but it was of Peels own making and greed. So now they're not making the big bucks they want out. But that's commerce today.
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Post by bonitared on Jul 12, 2021 11:13:09 GMT
The reality is that weâre in a stadium that we canât afford and,in any event,is too big.
I canât see why Salford ratepayers or Peel should be losing millions.
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Post by JJR on Jul 12, 2021 11:17:48 GMT
I agree it's too big but Peel made the commercial decision by fighting against the original plan and haven't made the big bucks they expected from the land sales. So tough.
I also agree that the rate payers shouldn't subsidise the ground. We have played a game where others subsidise and it's over. Those scenarios always have a limited life span and we've come to the end of ours.
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Post by earlybath on Jul 12, 2021 11:49:17 GMT
Everything to do with Peel and Sale being involved in a stadium that should be ours. If you believe what you write Russ you should go and live in North Korea or even Venezuela. |
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