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Inu
May 6, 2021 8:44:17 GMT
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Post by Carnster on May 6, 2021 8:44:17 GMT
Not sure what Inu is thinking defending Hayne against his sexual assault charges. I mean, convictions against sex offenders are pretty rare because they are so difficult to prove. The fact he got five years in prison is telling.
I can see problems arising from Inu posting what he did on Instagram. What a tool.
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Inu
May 6, 2021 9:37:24 GMT
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Post by MossleyRed on May 6, 2021 9:37:24 GMT
I think worse than defending his convicted mate is the fact he's had a pop at the victim!
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Inu
May 6, 2021 9:57:27 GMT
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Post by Carnster on May 6, 2021 9:57:27 GMT
I think worse than defending his convicted mate is the fact he's had a pop at the victim! Indeed!
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Post by SalfordSlim on May 6, 2021 10:31:51 GMT
Not seen it as not on Instagram but doesn't sound good from what you guys above are saying (any chance someone can post the details or is that breaking some sort of rule?).
One thing Social Media does is often highlight what we don't know about people. I guess Inu has always come across as a great guy, well liked by his peers and fans alike. What they're like in their private lives is something completely different I guess in a lot of cases.
We've seen previous players pull on the Salford shirt who have been accused/convicted of various misdemeanours and it's difficult to know where to draw a line and show acceptance. As humans we're designed to make mistakes, some just make them more often than others and don't learn from them or show any remorse. We're also blinded by loyalty to friends/family and it's difficult to turn your back on someone I guess (and often not the right thing to do).
I'm sure we've all wrongly defended mates in the past due to loyalty (although as I've got older I've definitely learnt to put aside loyalties if I know they're in the wrong). It's just dumb to do something like that on Social Media where everyone can see it, especially if you're in the public eye. I won't even claim to know anything about the Hayne case but as said above convictions are rare in sexual assault cases so evidence must have been damning.
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Inu
May 6, 2021 11:07:58 GMT
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Post by MossleyRed on May 6, 2021 11:07:58 GMT
Not seen it as not on Instagram but doesn't sound good from what you guys above are saying (any chance someone can post the details or is that breaking some sort of rule?). One thing Social Media does is often highlight what we don't know about people. I guess Inu has always come across as a great guy, well liked by his peers and fans alike. What they're like in their private lives is something completely different I guess in a lot of cases. We've seen previous players pull on the Salford shirt who have been accused/convicted of various misdemeanours and it's difficult to know where to draw a line and show acceptance. As humans we're designed to make mistakes, some just make them more often than others and don't learn from them or show any remorse. We're also blinded by loyalty to friends/family and it's difficult to turn your back on someone I guess (and often not the right thing to do). I'm sure we've all wrongly defended mates in the past due to loyalty (although as I've got older I've definitely learnt to put aside loyalties if I know they're in the wrong). It's just dumb to do something like that on Social Media where everyone can see it, especially if you're in the public eye. I won't even claim to know anything about the Hayne case but as said above convictions are rare in sexual assault cases so evidence must have been damning. I can sort of understand his loyalty to his friend and maybe he's in denial about someone he thought he knew being convicted of such a crime but he's gone on to say 'the so-called victim' and expressed she needs help. Rape victims are often scared to come forward over fears of not being believed so for him to post that is quite incredulous. Why people don't engage their brains when posting is a mystery to me
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Inu
May 6, 2021 11:08:15 GMT
Post by Carnster on May 6, 2021 11:08:15 GMT
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Post by SalfordSlim on May 6, 2021 11:25:45 GMT
Well reading that I'm not sure there's much more to say. I reckon Richard Marshall is gonna love having yet more off-field matters to deal with when he should be 100% focussed on fixing our on-field failings.🙄
Anyone else ever get to the stage where you just feel being a Salford fan ain't really worth it due to the continuous pain it causes?!😩
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Inu
May 6, 2021 12:55:56 GMT
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Post by kilop on May 6, 2021 12:55:56 GMT
Well reading that I'm not sure there's much more to say. I reckon Richard Marshall is gonna love having yet more off-field matters to deal with when he should be 100% focussed on fixing our on-field failings.🙄 Anyone else ever get to the stage where you just feel being a Salford fan ain't really worth it due to the continuous pain it causes?!😩 Nope, make me appreciate the good times more 😁
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Post by JJR on May 6, 2021 17:08:06 GMT
No idea what Inu said as I dont waste my time on social media and I, and probably most of us, have no real idea of what Haynes did or did not do; but I must defend Inu to make public his views on a situation. We have to cherish the right to freedom of speech as the alternative of China, Russia, S Korea certainly doesn't appeal. Right or wrong he's allowed to make it and at least it's on public view and not written under some false name trying to hide from consequences.
If some, with in depth knowledge of the case, wish to oppose his view I would support them also. It's always dangerous setting oneself up as judge and jury and stopping freedom of speech, so long as it's within reasonable bounds.
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Post by Carnster on May 6, 2021 18:36:35 GMT
freedom of speech is fine. Freedom from consequences of that speech is not.
A lot of people mistake freedom of speech to mean freedom to do as they like, from consequences. That is not the case. I'm not highlighting this to cast judgement on someone. I think he's quite right to air his thoughts, I just don't think that it's very sensible of him to be airing it in public to a global audience. We all think differently but what is happening here, JJR, with Inu is that he is expressing a view that casts doubt on a victim that the courts have deemed truthful after being presented with the facts.
Rape apologist isn't a great thing to put on your CV, and his judgement on this is way off.
As it stands, his reaction is probably more to do with his evangelical stance being in line with Hayne's. Not that that justifies his poor judgement.
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Inu
May 6, 2021 19:16:07 GMT
Post by JJR on May 6, 2021 19:16:07 GMT
Carnster he has a view and as such, within bounds, he is free to express it. If he disbelieved the judgement, that's his view. I think your judgement on him may be unfair, as you are far removed from him and the incident and possibly don't have his insight, but that's your view and you've expressed it freely, as he has done. If he feels strongly I admire him, not for his view, which I know nothing about, but for having the courage to express it publicly. If he is condemned for having a view, in my view that wrong.
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Inu
May 6, 2021 19:54:00 GMT
Post by bonitared on May 6, 2021 19:54:00 GMT
I know nothing about the circumstances of the case or the people involved. Rape is abhorrent. Inu is allowed both his religion and his right to free speech. Whether that’s the politically correct or sensible thing to do is his decision and,ultimately perhaps,his problem
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Post by Carnster on May 6, 2021 20:17:25 GMT
Carnster he has a view and as such, within bounds, he is free to express it. If he disbelieved the judgement, that's his view. I think your judgement on him may be unfair, as you are far removed from him and the incident and possibly don't have his insight, but that's your view and you've expressed it freely, as he has done. If he feels strongly I admire him, not for his view, which I know nothing about, but for having the courage to express it publicly. If he is condemned for having a view, in my view that wrong. That's all very noble. But where is the line drawn on this. We all agree that people can say what they want. We all agree that there may be consequences to those views. There has to be a line somewhere or you get to all kinds of extreme and awful stuff. If I was to say something abhorrent but state it as 'free speech' would you say the same thing? Would you back someone for speaking about the positives of murder? Because that's their view? They should be allowed to express that? You're right that I am far removed from the incident but guess what? So is Inu. You know who isn't far removed from the incident? The victims. Who went through a very public process where a jury found their attacker guilty for a crime that is very hard to get prosecution on. I'll trust the rule of law has got it right on this one. My point about all this is that he is damn stupid for airing his stupid thoughts in public.
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Inu
May 6, 2021 20:18:41 GMT
Post by bonitared on May 6, 2021 20:18:41 GMT
And you’re entitled to your opinion,too
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Post by redunderthebed on May 6, 2021 20:45:19 GMT
Inu isn’t on his own. Quite a few of Haynes friends have posted similar things. Many with even worse accusations against the victim
One of Haynes supporters even spat on the victim as she left court.
A load of sport stars/ex sport’s stars with platforms and significant numbers of followers ganging up on a woman with no right of reply who the courts have said it is proven that she was raped or sexually assaulted does not feel like a free speech issue to me
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