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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2020 17:56:41 GMT
According to the press,for the new offer, we get about a third less per Club after 2021 As Bonita would say, judge Elstone on his negotiating of a new TV deal. Well when I went to school a 33% reduction is an abject failure. We have to rid the game of Rimmer and I’m sad to say Elstone.
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Post by JJR on Dec 21, 2020 18:32:42 GMT
Rimmer seems a complete disaster Elstone hands tied, After CV Sky down a lot on bucks and nobody else to take it Not finalised yet though, think this is that Sky offer
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Post by bonitared on Dec 21, 2020 19:04:28 GMT
Rimmer seems a complete disaster Elstone hands tied, After CV Sky down a lot on bucks and nobody else to take it Not finalised yet though, think this is that Sky offer Rimmer has to be kept away from Superleague. I’m sure his heart is in the right place and he’s a great advert for Northern folk and whippets but very little else. I don’t have a problem with Elstone but,like Rimmer,he’ll be on a six figure salary and therefore judged on what he brings to the table that’s better than him not being there,if you catch my drift. Whatever the problems encountered, if the best deal is a third less than the previous deal,then it means that he’s failed to generate competitive bids from elsewhere. On that basis,what has he brought to the table ? Its a struggle to think of anything he brings,apart from dressing better than the other twerp.
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Post by redunderthebed on Dec 21, 2020 21:23:34 GMT
Rimmer is surely the perfect face of the new ‘northerners only super league’.
Ironically Rimmer is a big supporter of expansion whereas Elstones only interest is having a few extra away fans at games
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Post by bonitared on Dec 21, 2020 22:27:10 GMT
Northerners only rugby league is a tremendous concept. Maybe Rimmer could organise a meeting of interested parties. Not sure where? Place in Huddersfield,called the George might work
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Post by JJR on Dec 22, 2020 7:15:35 GMT
Depends what you mean by expansion. We've see throughout the years all the ad hoc teams and failures it must be 20:1 ratio of failures to successes RU have a strategic plan, worked out and financed and its spread throughout the world via 7s tournaments, programmes in schools etc. Georgia snd Argentina are now really big RU nations. We don't seem to have a plan and wait for a phone call from a guy with a few bob to spend and an idea, which seems to be what Rimmer calls expansion and Elstone looks at the business plan and rejects
Let get the plan first and get everyone in Board. I have a mate in the SW who says RL is really growing, but needs help.
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Post by Carnster on Dec 22, 2020 7:27:03 GMT
There's a lot of hysteria being thrown about in RL circles at the moment over this. Everything from RL management incompetence has caused the lower offer (It hasn't), not having Toronto in the SL has caused it (It hasn't. Cutting-off twenty-odd million off an offer isn't due to any club let alone a small new one from Canada) Sky want to kill the game has caused it (This one's mental) Elstone and Rimmer are directly to blame for a reduced offer (that a third party submits and is out of their control)
I think all it really shows is that it allows various supporters to shoehorn their own particular obsessions, grievances, and prejudices into the current situation. While systematically ignoring the real reason of the reduced offer which is the parasite that is Premier league football. The constant increase in SKY's financial commitment to the EPL has meant that it has given lower offers to all other sports it covers. Across the board. It's under pressure to fill dwindling subscription numbers and it's putting its eggs all in one basket.
The real concern should be the fact that even with the reduced offer nobody else comes close to matching it. While I think a move away from SKY is inevitable at some point, it has a hold over the sport that isn't healthy for the growth of the game. Effectively buying it up and showing the bare minimum so that it withholds the rights to any other potential broadcasters. This is a fairly common occurrence with broadcasters around the world, but it effectively chokes the sports that it does it to. This is a dangerous time for us as a sport. The reduced offer may herald the demise of some lower league clubs and bring back the real reality of part-time players. Something that would probably mean the death knell of any future expansion.
What happens next is pretty serious. I just wish that RL fans could show a little solidarity rather than trying to squeeze in their particular brand of obsession into the argument. This isn't aimed at anyone on here by the way, just an observation in general.
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Post by Carnster on Dec 22, 2020 7:44:08 GMT
Depends what you mean by expansion. We've see throughout the years all the ad hoc teams and failures it must be 20:1 ratio of failures to successes RU have a strategic plan, worked out and financed and its spread throughout the world via 7s tournaments, programmes in schools etc. Georgia snd Argentina are now really big RU nations. We don't seem to have a plan and wait for a phone call from a guy with a few bob to spend and an idea, which seems to be what Rimmer calls expansion and Elstone looks at the business plan and rejects Let get the plan first and get everyone in Board. I have a mate in the SW who says RL is really growing, but needs help. Outside of the heartlands, RL at grassroots is growing tremendously, both domestically and abroad. SL and the RFL do not do enough to support this in general which is a shame because strong grassroots level means a larger playing pool and stronger teams. This means in the long term the pro ranks get healthier and stronger. It doesn't help our short term problems but that doesn't mean we shouldn't try.
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Post by JJR on Dec 22, 2020 7:52:59 GMT
Carnster I'm not sure what 'people's obsessions' are. This is a Forum for discussion and that's what, to me, people are doing. I don't agree with many views on here but so what, that's their view. And 'solidarity', in what, for what? In RL we don't seem to have an overall view. The funding issue to me is our problem,not Sky's, not benefactors. The RL, supporters should not expect to be baled out by Sky, other ways should be found. Just my, non obsessive view.
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Post by bonitared on Dec 22, 2020 9:39:47 GMT
Carnster,in talking about shoehorning people’s obsessions,that’s exactly what you done by blaming Sky. Exactly the same ! Of course it’s not Elstone or the other idiots faullt. My point,and Font’s, was that Elstone’s whole raison d’etre ,and by his own admission,what he should be judged on, was to produce more competition and therefore a better broadcast deal. Sky was an issue when he took the job,and is still an issue. That’s a constant. As I say,I don’t have any problem with Elstones persona,but he’s failed to achieve.
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Post by JJR on Dec 22, 2020 10:27:32 GMT
On a positive note it's now being suggested that to reduce costs, due to reduced income, that the no of overseas players ( or whatever they term them now) is reduced from 7 to 3 from 2022 But I still think we need to look at ways of generating our own income within clubs and not relying on Sky/ benefactors. Elstone must responsibility but Covid has played its part.
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Post by Carnster on Dec 22, 2020 11:10:22 GMT
Blimey! I wasn't blaming SKY just pointing out that the reasons for the reduced offer is due to their commitment to the EPL. That isn't my obsession, or opinion. That is literally the reason SKY gave.
I'm beginning to think that the written word is getting pretty pointless at the moment...
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Post by JJR on Dec 22, 2020 11:39:11 GMT
Will you write more if we all agree with you then Carnster? I think your ideas are great.
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Post by Carnster on Dec 22, 2020 11:44:53 GMT
Dear me. Sad stuff.
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Post by bonitared on Dec 22, 2020 12:38:42 GMT
Blimey! I wasn't blaming SKY just pointing out that the reasons for the reduced offer is due to their commitment to the EPL. That isn't my obsession, or opinion. That is literally the reason SKY gave. I'm beginning to think that the written word is getting pretty pointless at the moment... Relax because,as you say,the written word can be misunderstood. Disagreement is healthy.
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