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Post by russ on Feb 24, 2018 4:02:46 GMT
I don't believe refs are biased. I don't subscribe to the idea that certain officials have it in for my team. And I'm even a bit suspicious of questions about a refs performance. But lately I do get the impression that games between two top sides are officiated differently from those of other sides. I feel the game flows better between two top sides because the refs let it flow more and there is less expectation of things warranting penalties.
Is there a difference?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 5:13:16 GMT
I thought Childs last night was shocking, shocking for both teams.
From decisions and signals that meant nothing to me to stopping the clock when the ball went dead just before half time rather than keeping it running as is the norm.
Didn't someone tell him there was no Sky cameras as I'm sure he was looking to be the biggest name on the pitch.
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Post by russ on Feb 24, 2018 8:12:43 GMT
I thought Childs last night was shocking, shocking for both teams. From decisions and signals that meant nothing to me to stopping the clock when the ball went dead just before half time rather than keeping it running as is the norm. Didn't someone tell him there was no Sky cameras as I'm sure he was looking to be the biggest name on the pitch. I think you're right about it being for both sides last night but I don't think you told me how you see refs big club games v the rest (which I suppose must include us at the moment) though I just feel it's a poorer game officiating wise far too often to be a coincidence! |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 24, 2018 9:05:33 GMT
I really dont like watching games with Childs in charge. He spoils games for me by blowing up for needless penalties. He also has a habit of calling a string of penalties in a short space of time - this opens him to accusations of ‘bias’ as it looks like he’s walking teams down the pitch or trying to get them back in the game (see last nights game in the period after Lui scored). I have no doubt he’s not biased but he can make it look that way.
Last night I thought he was poor again. In the first half he blew a string of penalties against Hull for things he had let go the rest of the game. Same happened against Salford in the second half.
I’m not a fan but in no way think he’s biased.
As for the big games - I think he’s just as bad in them.
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Post by russ on Feb 24, 2018 9:27:31 GMT
I really dont like watching games with Childs in charge. He spoils games for me by blowing up for needless penalties. He also has a habit of calling a string of penalties in a short space of time - this opens him to accusations of ‘bias’ as it looks like he’s walking teams down the pitch or trying to get them back in the game (see last nights game in the period after Lui scored). I have no doubt he’s not biased but he can make it look that way. Last night I thought he was poor again. In the first half he blew a string of penalties against Hull for things he had let go the rest of the game. Same happened against Salford in the second half. I’m not a fan but in no way think he’s biased. As for the big games - I think he’s just as bad in them. It's the way of forums and threads open up a discussion about refs and get a debate about Childs. Okay I don't like hims as a ref but I can think of a few very similar SL officials, he doesn't stand out in the crowd. I think the point about penalties riding teams down the paddock is in every RL game and I'm not entirely sure it's not down to refs needing a rest and that may be the key to all the penalty ridden games we see. Watching the WCC games which flowed better generally even they had moments of back to back " lapses in discipline" but to my mind and understanding you could've picked up any number of infringements and they do allow a lot more lying on and messing about in the ruck. I suppose the point I'm making is are refs more casual in Saints v Wigan than Salford v HKR for example? |
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Post by hillbillyred on Feb 26, 2018 7:57:53 GMT
With games involving Wigan, Leeds and Saints, there is a tradition of talking to the ref. It shouldn't affect the decisions but it seems to. As someone old enough to remember Lindop and similar ... there would have been less chat.
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Post by scoot on Feb 26, 2018 9:10:29 GMT
There certainly is a difference when ref's referee the Big teams, They are the teams that get to most finals, which the ref's want to referee. So you can't get a bad mark off them, if you do you don't get the finals. Hence a different refereeing style
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Post by dixon13 on Feb 26, 2018 9:57:04 GMT
There certainly is a difference when ref's referee the Big teams, They are the teams that get to most finals, which the ref's want to referee. So you can't get a bad mark off them, if you do you don't get the finals. Hence a different refereeing style I understand your point.You say a different refereeing style,I say a bit of bias.But you could say they could contribute to their own demise.People go on about our crowds they are not good for half the teams in League. If the top four are always the top four the crowds for the rest will drop further in fact I think we are heading for part time. |
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Post by russ on Feb 26, 2018 18:46:26 GMT
There certainly is a difference when ref's referee the Big teams, They are the teams that get to most finals, which the ref's want to referee. So you can't get a bad mark off them, if you do you don't get the finals. Hence a different refereeing style In which case the end is, as they say, nigh! |
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Post by dixon13 on Feb 26, 2018 19:20:30 GMT
I think we are heading for part time. In which case the end is, as they say, nigh! I sincerely hope I am wrong Russ.I was told rightly or wrongly,Rugby League as the second best viewing figures after football for Sky.Yet we get less money than union the people running our game couldn't run a bath. |
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Post by hillbillyred on Feb 27, 2018 7:41:18 GMT
Union gets its numbers from the terrestrial channels: the internationals certainly grab interest. In fairness, the international game is normally a good watch. As for us: one union fan summed up the World Cup to me as "different countries playing for the right to be beat by Australia". I couldn't argue.
Sky can be blamed for the focus on refs. They've taken the traditional baiting of decisions to a new level.
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Post by russ on Feb 28, 2018 2:21:37 GMT
Union gets its numbers from the terrestrial channels: the internationals certainly grab interest. In fairness, the international game is normally a good watch. As for us: one union fan summed up the World Cup to me as "different countries playing for the right to be beat by Australia". I couldn't argue. Sky can be blamed for the focus on refs. They've taken the traditional baiting of decisions to a new level. Well hillbilly you seem to have brought 15 different threads with you to the party. What yawn gets figures interest level media coverage is irrelevant: A contract with a media group should depend on what you bring with you in terms of viewing figures after all that's all they're really after, I could equally claim different countries trying to beat the all blacks for theirs and it's a silly criticism that kick and clap fans and pundits like to throw our way because of the past and we have a much better product, Sky certainly don't help with the focus on refs but neither are they to blame for fans blaming or focusing on decisions. But do refs officiate differently for say SRD v Catalan than Saints v Leeds? Do teams considered lower get a rough deal from the officiating? Do we get less flow for our readies, greenbacks, moolah,dough, legal tender, cabbage, cash?  |
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Post by hillbillyred on Feb 28, 2018 15:16:21 GMT
I was responding to the before statement.
To answer: it's human to react to how you are treated: the pre-match refreshments and welcome, the bigger and more responsive crowd, the effect of captains talking to you, the realisation that the game is more important than the one you ran last week, etc. Even if you try to cut out these influences and make every effort to clear out any bias, then there will be an effect all the same.
I'm equally sure there is a group of clubs favoured by RLHQ and a group ... less-favoured. That sets up a mind set that will affect any ref.
And to bring the coat of many threads into the argument: we have so few refs that a bad time given to a ref one week means that the same, now biased, ref will appear at one of our games before long, possibly the same month.
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Post by kreuzbergred on Feb 28, 2018 15:19:16 GMT
James Child's is the Only Referee who I know who regularly Gives penalties for Differential offences in the Scrum ,Apparently he did it twice against Hull KR So I'm told. There's more Serious things he could have given IE: The trip on O'Brien .
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