The fans group speaks for me, I'd be much happier with a more professional level headed spokesperson though, surely if you have local political support they would be a much better and powerful figure head and would certainly add gravitas to the whole thing.
That said on a positive note the club are actually doing some marketing for this cup game, so perhaps they have listened? I just hope we get a good crowd!!
The cynic in me (I'm popping my universally loved head above the parapet here) but the club is finally showing a little interest in the promotion of a game that will attract very little travelling support, I have a suspicion that the club don't want an increase in figures for the rest of the season as it would then make for more uneasy questions regarding a re brand and/or relocation.
Well be positive, enjoy the matches, at least we're in the QF. The problem with the Doc is he's passionate and wears his heart on his sleeve. Each year he changes things, he's leaving, he's in trouble but we seem to be moving forward and he's no fool and a winner. So we have to have faith in him; he's the man who puts the money in and I'm sure he wants big crowds just like we do. And he's a wily fox.
There will be no move and no name change without involving the word Salford. He needs to get the local council on board and he's meeting with them this week. What he's done well is stir everyone up; now he needs to get everybody going together in the same direction.
Wait until the marketing company makes its presentation, we probably have more knowledge and expertise about branding than they do. The research they did was low level and can easily be shot down if we need to.
When you're engaging the CEO of the RL you have to be factual if you want any credibility. There was opininion and personal views in the letter
The marketing drive has been planned for a while. The club with limited resources has had a massive amount to do. Just look at the progress on our player contracts.
It's amazing that if you look at what's been achieved and not at rumours about what might or might not happen, how life seems a lot better.
Has I say we are not speaking for you and Carnster
What he said is right though. Opinion and personal views count for nothing if you want to highlight anything with any degree of credibility. If you don't, it becomes easy to dismiss valid content as it is seen as tainted by emotion and bias. It's a lot easier to be taken seriously if your point of view is not liberally splatted with personal views. Nobody is having a go at people who have passion and are trying to do something, but it needs to be done in a proper way for it to be taken seriously.
You also need to stop having digs at people rather than make a point, or counter-point. You're consistently doing it and it's getting tiring.
Dixon, the sad thing is that now this letter has been sent to the RFL and published in a paper, we start from a level lacking credibility if we need to make a point to the RFL at some later stage. Read the articles written by David Burke and Martyn Sadler, they make the same point but in a factual way.
Just as an aside, the League Express this week states ' RFL REFUSES TO INTERVENE IN SALFORD DISPUTE'. This shows that the letter sent has actually detracted from the case being put. Whoever David Bainbridge (and whoever the Group is) is needs to get advice as to how to take out the emotion out of situations and work towards a serious case or he/ they will create an 'us and them environment', which will just bring negativity into everything and fans will stop coming. We need to work with the Management Team to make things happen and not react to rumour. Yes we don't want a name change but this is not the way to go about it, read the article.
Wouldn't it be much better if each fan brought a couple of people to the match! Dixon, let's be positive and move forward.
The whole debacle is becoming ridiculous and embarrassing. I wish these people, who claim they love Salford so much, would open their eyes and acknowledge and appreciate the best season we have had in decades. Instead they're choosing to ignore/disregard this and involve themselves in mither and petty name calling with the club.
In this week's League Express MK states 'We have not made a decision to rebrand. For now I just want to concentrate on getting on with playing good rugby, get behind the team and let's revisit the re-brand at a later date'.
Might be a good idea to follow suit and concentrate on getting more people to watch the team. They deserve it.
This thread just appears to breed negativity without any reason.
Post by hammerlessnail on Jun 13, 2017 19:55:21 GMT
I said I wouldn't get involved in any more of this name change stuff, but it seems - like Carnster - I'm obviously not a man of my word.
I'd just like to make a few points:
Firstly, the idea that this is just a rumour. I'm not someone who believes rumours. I'm still holding on for Kevin Sinfield to make his much awaited Salford debut. I'm not someone who passes them on either. For example, I heard about the name change proposal some six weeks before it was made public on here. Without any other evidence, I wouldn't pass it on. Now, you're going to just have to take my word for this. It's not a rumour. There's other evidence, evidence which I'm not in a position to share on here. Like I say, you'll just have to take my word for it, and it's up to you whether you do or not. However, there is a bit of evidence that is publicly available: Marwan has been asked countless times to deny it. Thus far, he hasn't, and, it appears, won't. Make of that what you will. All he will say is that it's "up for consideration at a later date". That wasn't the case before the campaign started. To me, that suggests it's working.
Secondly, I'm not sure which parts of that letter can be cited as just personal opinion. It's obviously an emotive subject, but much of it concerns the club's lack of a coherent marketing strategy. If anyone can point to one, I'd be glad to hear it. Perhaps the number of people who would turn their backs on the club should a name change take place is conjectural, but, at this stage, it has to be. Thus far I know of no-one who thinks a name change is a good idea, but I know of plenty who would just stop going. (I have to admit, the numbers saying that have actually surprised me. I didn't think opposition would be as widespread as it has been.) Extrapolating that out, 2500 doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
Thirdly, the League Express headline was unfortunate. At the time the letter was sent to the press, the RFL hadn't responded to the letter that had been sent to them. They hadn't even acknowledged receipt of it. It turns out that Nigel Wood's secretary was on leave, so, it seems, nothing was getting through to him. Poor really. To be fair to him, Nigel did respond quite quickly afterwards but, by then, it was too late and the letter had already gone to the press. The authors of the letter have no control over the way the press represents it.
Finally, the idea that members of the group are "choosing to ignore/disregard" the efforts on the field seems a bit off the mark since it's actually referred to in the letter. In addition, to the best of my knowledge, the people who are picking at the scab on here aren't actually involved in the group in any way. It's people outside of the group who have chosen to raise it on here and go over the same ground over and over again, and, I would suggest, it's them your opprobrium be directed towards.
Totally agree Carnster, you can't send a letter from a supposed representative group (who does the group represent anyway) to the CEO of the RL with opinion about numbers leaving and the way crowds are counted being related as fact and expect it to be treated seriously. Also the reply to the RL seemed a bit of a rant.
None of the fans that I know personally or who I meet at the matches knew anything about the group responsible for arranging the meeting at the Dog and Partridge the other week and despite the brief reminder on a forum of the time and date there was no prior indication given of why the group had been formed,what its aims were and who would be doing what.
I know a couple of the people involved but that is all I and many others know.
These facts plus the letter supposedly representing most/all of the Salford fans then really started the alarm bells ringing in many people's minds as the negative publicity that it has brought out has done nothing the improve the situation.
The letter from the RFL doesn't give any answers either and doesn't help the clubs or fans cause in any way and certainly until I and my friends see more on the people who have started the thing off the group basically only represent themselves and the initial letter should have had the full list of the people who authorised the letter in the first place.
All the fans that I know personally are only at the present time interested in Thursdays cup match then the next league match then a possible cup semi final and we feel that any unnessary actions,statements,tweets,rumours don't do the clubs cause any good whatsoever.
Bye the way I sit in the blue seats,that some people were complaining about three or four years ago,and when I was asked which seats I had,I had to double check.